The Hidden Brain Injury Crisis: CTE, Misdiagnosis & Hope for Recovery with William Person

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Guest: William Person

🌐 𝗪𝗲𝗯𝘀𝗶𝘁𝗲: https://treatnow.org/

Former Team USA Bobsled Athlete | CTE Advocate

📱 𝗢𝗳𝗳𝗶𝗰𝗶𝗮𝗹 𝗦𝗼𝗰𝗶𝗮𝗹 𝗠𝗲𝗱𝗶𝗮 / 𝗖𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗻𝗲𝗹𝘀

TikTok: @OneManWithAChamber

00:00 – Introduction to CTE and guest background

02:30 – History of CTE and the impact of Concussion film

06:50 – Bobsled career and high G-force exposure

09:50 – The reality of G-forces and brain trauma

13:00 – Military PTSD vs brain injury

15:45 – Misdiagnosis and Kanye West example

20:50 – Mass shootings and veteran statistics

27:30 – Inflammation and untreated brain trauma

31:30 – Behavioral warning signs loved ones notice

34:00 – Antidepressants and brain injury complications

37:45 – Turning point: teammate suicide

41:00 – Discovery of hyperbaric oxygen therapy

The Hidden Brain Injury Crisis: CTE, Misdiagnosis & Hope for Recovery with William Person

Dr Ron Ehrlich (00:00)

Hello and welcome to Unstress Health. My name is Dr Ron Ehrlich. Well, we’ve explored lots of facets of health over the many years that I’ve been doing podcasting. And one of the things I often say is the more I learn, the more I realize I have to learn, there is to learn. And I love doing the podcast for that reason. And I hope you enjoy listening to it. And by the way, don’t forget to leave a review. I thought I’d get that in early. Today, we are exploring something which may be affecting people very close to you, or it may even be affecting yourself. 

My guest is William Person. Now, William is a former nine-year team USA bobsled athlete whose sporting career left him battling the devastating effects of chronic traumatic encephalopathy. It’s a mouthful, but let’s call it CTE because that’s how it’s known and we’re hearing a lot more about CTE now than we ever have before.

Now at his lowest point, he was struggling with confusion, depression, debilitating headaches, suicidal thoughts until he discovered hyperbaric oxygen therapy. Now today, William is on a mission to raise awareness of brain injury and to create a not-for-profit CTE, a recovery center that offers treatment at no cost to those who need it. Now, in case you think you’re not, a elite sportsman, well guess what? 

You could have just had a car accident or you could have had a concussion in a sport when you were a child or maybe even grown up. You may have got a knock to the head playing rugby league or rugby union, even headed a ball or even been in a fight or got in a boxing ring or who knows, but a trauma to the head can result in inflammation in the brain and if that trauma is repeated, is repeated, its effects can be quite devastating and interestingly enough, often misdiagnosed. And we talk a lot about that. I hope you enjoy this conversation I had with William Person. Welcome to the show, William.

William Person (02:10)

Thank you. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (02:12)

William, CTE chronic, traumatic and encephalopathy. CTE is something that people are hearing a hell of a lot more about now, but I suspect it’s been going on for a very long time. when did it first, when was it first recognized and accepted as a condition or a diagnosis? What’s kind of historical perspective here? How long has it been going on for?

William Person (02:35)

Well, what I’ve been able to connect it’s been going on forever. It’s really man, once I’m gonna give you the facts and I’ll let you guys put it together But it’s been going on forever. This didn’t just show up but in the movie came out with Will Smith called concussion and this spotlighted the NFL and the issues going on with those players and so it that’s what put it in the spotlight. It was a doctor from Nigeria who he just took the time and he was really passionate about this and

Man, he was ridiculed, was given death threats, and he stood his groun,d and he was right. And he’s responsible for me standing here safe today, or better, yes.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (03:13)

Wow. I mean, you know, when I think I look at American football as an example in your country, you are a bobsledder. There’s another one that I hadn’t even considered. In Australia, we play a lot of ⁓ rugby union rugby league, even foot soccer players or football, as they call it in England. Yeah. Head the ball, wrestling, boxing. my God. The list goes on and on and on. Yeah. 

I mean, how to misdiagnoses of brain injury. So I mean, it must be a pretty common issue. Tell us a little bit about that. And I know that you had an interesting story about Kanye West, war people, which I’d love to hear about, but tell us a little bit about misdiagnoses of brain injury.

William Person (03:58)

Well, the thing even with my case, let me give you a little bit of my background. When I was 23 years old, I worked at this place called San Joaquin County Mental Health Department. It’s the first mental health facility that was west of the Mississippi River. So in America, anybody with bizarre behaviors they flock there for help, mental health. So I learned meeting people with depression, all the different bipolar schizophrenia, even people with the lobotomies were around back then.

I learned seeing these really weird behaviors. And as of fact, some of my doctors used to come through every morning with their clipboard, and they would say, hey, this patient has this, this, this, and that. They’ll talk to the patients and put out the scripts and the meds and their treatment plan. Have a little staff meeting. And sometimes after those meetings, I will pull the doc to the side, and I will say, hey, I know you said this, but I saw that. He said, you did? I was like, yeah, he’ll go back, talk to that patient, and he will come back.

And he would change the orders, change the meds, change the treatment plan. And they always told me I had what they call a tuning fork. And I really didn’t understand it because I was baby. I was 23 years old. But when I was around 28, I wound up opening the first ever independent living transitional housing program for the state of Utah. I wrote it, created it myself. I saw a need and a niche. And they opened me as a pilot program. And that program did really well. And so I’ve kind of always been doing this type of stuff with mental health. I kind of see…

I see the things people don’t get to see. My brain works a little different than most. And so that’s kind of how it really started. But I’m sorry, I missed your next question. One of my glitches I still have is…

Dr Ron Ehrlich (05:35)

Well, no, no, William, William, please, because I think this is an interesting foundational position from which you know, to observe your own life experience. So you were working in these mental health facilities as an assistant, as a nurse, as a doctor, what was your role?

William Person (05:51)

I was a part-time tech. I was tech. But I was actually right. Like for the Slate Can You Center, they asked me to write the training manual for the facility as a tech, you know? And so I just saw things different. And I always moved up. Like I’ll start as a part-timer, but I’ll leave as the manager, the counselor. And eventually I opened my own, which the irony of that is I opened up my own facility at 28. I was a baby. The kids who were in my program, I was like their father. And I was…

I wasn’t 10 years older than some of these kids. And I didn’t realize that back then, the significance of that. now as I’m 55 now, I’m looking back, and like, I did what? I’m looking at my own children at like what they’re doing now and how mature they are at that age. I was doing things that was just was not the norm. And it really helped save my life in the end. It really did. And a lot of other people’s lives. Yeah.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (06:42)

You also, I mean, you were at a national level, you were in the bobsled team. Tell us a little bit about that journey and some of the things that you confronted that led to these injuries.

William Person (06:55)

Well, yeah, I raced for Team USA for nine years, World Championships, Olympic trials, World Cup. My first World Cup race, I had a real nasty crash in St. Moritz, Switzerland. My brakeman on that day was knocked unconscious. I had a really nasty vertigo and my symptoms really started kicking in about that time. It was around 2001, early 2002, right before the Winter Olympics of Salt Lake City. My symptoms had started to, that’s where it happened at.

But over time, slowly, slowly started to kick in. And this is where the mixed diagnosis come in. I thought it was diabetes because it looked like low blood sugar. so, but what it really is, it’s just, you know, it’s one of the symptoms of CTE, no energy, cloudiness, confused. And that clouds and confused, I’ve seen many diabetics and it looks just like that. And so I was going to my doctors for over two years, two decades asking for insulin. I know I’m diabetic and they kept telling me no.

And I didn’t believe him. So I bought a, one of those blood glucose meters. I’m traveling with it thing. And there’s every time I get that sensation, most of the time I’m too cloudy to remember to take the blood sugar that time. But a couple of times I remembered and I got it and my numbers were right. And I’m thinking, okay, the doctors must be right. But maybe there’s tests aren’t sensitive enough. Eventually they’re going to, I’m going to get my insulin so I can move on with my life. And I was, I was just so far wrong. 

And eventually my teammates began to commit suicide and get sick with all the same things with CTE. And I started connecting the symptoms. And an article came out from the New York Times called Sled Head. And at that time, I was living in Los Angeles. And so my routine was I wake up in the morning because I couldn’t get out of the bed. I didn’t have energy. Before I went to bed at night, I put a thermos of coffee on the bed or a can of Coca-Cola or something like that. And so every morning I wake up, I’ll drink that because if I didn’t have it, I couldn’t get out of the bed till 3 o’clock.

You know, my day’s almost over, and I’m just getting out. And so I had a routine. I wake up, drink that caffeine, and then I automatically knew I didn’t know the real day. And so I had to look in this little little planner I had, I figure out what day it is. Okay, now it’s Monday. Now I got to figure out what month are we in? I thought it was always January or August. So my brain was in a loop. When I left Team USA, I was 36. I won the US National Championship that year. I turned 37 that summer.

And I was almost, I was 30, I turned 37. So when people asked me how old I was, I automatically said 28. I didn’t even know how old I really was. And that was the start of my symptoms. And, and I was still racing like that for quite a few years with those. Yeah.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (09:27)

William, William, I mean, here in Australia, we’re not all that familiar and with bobsled, but I do know you are down incredibly low going at incredible speeds. Tell us a little bit about bobsled to try to paint the picture of the trauma that you must when you say, I came off my bobsled. Well, gee whiz, but it, you know, yeah. Tell us a bit about bobsledding and some of the dangers.

William Person (09:52)

Well, the biggest thing is they told us we were pulling five G forces maximum, four to five, probably five maximum. And so one time we took these fighter pilots on a bobsled ride. They pull, I thought they were pulling like 15, 20 Gs, but I was wrong. They only pulled six. So on this one particular day, I did seven bobsled rides. The soldiers did one. And when I got out of the bobsled, they were rattled and I didn’t understand how that could be. It didn’t make sense to me.

Until that article from the New York Times came out and found out there were spikes of 84.5 G forces. And I went, wow. And yeah, I still hadn’t connected the dice. I was already cloudy enough. I couldn’t rationalize things properly. And so imagine you drop, going down the street and, and you got, you’re having a hundred. Well, no, top speed is about 95. Let’s say, let’s take it down low. Let’s say 85. Let’s say you’re having a bad

Dr Ron Ehrlich (10:42)

per hour?

William Person (10:43)

hour.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (10:45)

That’s about 160 I think. 160km per hour. Anyway, it’s fast.

William Person (10:50)

Yeah. So imagine going down your street in your car at that speed. You get up to a street, you need to make a left-hand turn. You’re not allowed to touch the brakes. Matter of fact, you’re going to try to accelerate through that turn. So imagine driving your car and you just turn the wheel as hard as you can. And that’s where the G-forces kick in. And what it does, it removes the blood and stuff from your head and it rattles that brain just enough to cause some shearing. And so, ⁓

And that’s what this problem is. Matter of fact, a couple of years ago, another article came out about the fighter pilots. They had the exact same symptoms as us. And I, the red flags went off. was like, wait a minute. I know what this is. I know what’s wrong with them because I remember those G-Force. It’s the G-Force’s because I met bobsledders who never crashed. They have the same symptoms as me. And I was like, so I’m just kind of slowly connecting these dots. 

So I took that article, and I shared it with my lawyer,s and I shared it with a judge and within like days, that article was stripped from the internet, and it disappeared. And so what I did, I called the New York Times, and they sent me an active link so I can keep sharing that article. But yeah, people are really trying to keep that information from coming out. And I really started following the symptoms. And then I saw PTSD in our soldiers, right? I followed the symptoms again. They lined up with me. How could it be? was PTSD. And I found the studies. There’s studies out there.

They checked like was like 115 brains of the soldiers. then when they checked them was like, I 95 of them had CTU and I just knew it. And so I started talking about it and I’m just trying to save lives. I’m not trying to blame anybody. I’m just here to save lives and, no, no. Yeah. And so I thought the military.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (12:34)

No, no, we’re not.

William Person (12:37)

Yeah, I thought military was gonna be bad at me. Yeah, I’m sorry, I quit.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (12:40)

Yeah.

William Person (12:42)

No, I was just saying, I thought the miss was ⁓

Dr Ron Ehrlich (12:44)

PTSD in the military, one could imagine, not hard to imagine really. I know the statistics of people who come back from the war zone, it’s actually worse a condition than being in the war zone itself sometimes. But that’s one misdiagnosis. I’m interested, military, I mean, I can imagine you going at a hundred miles per hour around a corner, accelerating or even having a crash. You’re rattling your brain. What’s the connection there with the military?

William Person (13:14)

It’s the G forces and the pilots and then the military infantry is the compression blast. That compression blast has hit them in the face. It’s causing concussive same issues, cause the same thing that when that blast wave hits them. Yeah. And that’s what it really is. And the department of defense have acknowledged that. 

As a matter of fact, the UK people, we have 6,400 reported suicides a year from our veterans in America every year but there’s an additional 5,000 that overdose. And even if they leave a suicide note, they don’t consider it as a suicide. So we’re looking at 11,000 veterans.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (13:52)

Yeah, so I know it. Yeah, I know in Australia, I think 50 or 60 returned servicemen have died on the battlefield in Iraq and Afghanistan. But I think five or 600 have committed suicide. yeah, this puts a whole different perspective on that. We’ve done a program with the former head of the armed forces in Australia, Rear Admiral Chris Barry, who’s dealing with this PTSD. But I don’t think

You know, they’ve been looking at psychedelics as an issue and the psychological trauma of war would be certain, very real. This is a whole other aspect to it. PTSD is one misdiagnosis. What are some other conditions that are included in these misdiagnoses that could be related to CTE?

William Person (14:41)

Well, one of them, I put out this, first of all, I put out that thing to the public about the military and I thought they were going to kill me for doing that. I was like, they’re going to be so pissed at me, but the veteran agencies found me through my publicist, and they told me, will you’re correct? Please keep doing what you’re doing. Matter of fact, can you join us? And so we’ve been going state to state, creating the legislation so we can treat these veterans. It’s such a simple, for me, my symptoms changed in one hour of treatment. It was, it didn’t make things perfect, but it

things start to change immediately. It’s quick. It’s so easy to do this service. Another thing is like, but the thing is you mentioned a lot of different groups who have these issues, but what you missed is the housewife who had domestic violence done to her. She’d been hit too many times. They’re now checking their brains at death. ⁓ CTE.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (15:15)

Yeah. have a very unique foundation, your background in mental health in your early twenties and your twenties, in fact, put you in the perfect position really to observe people’s mental health. And there’s an interesting story you relate about Kanye West that I wondered if you might share.

William Person (15:46)

Yeah, I went to watch Kanye West’s documentary. For years I’ve been telling people I don’t believe he’s really bipolar. And I posted it online. I’ve been very verbal about it. And it just didn’t make sense to me. His behaviors, his mannerisms, it just didn’t match up. There’s a pattern here. There’s a pattern with these disorders. And so when I went to watch the documentary, he said a lot of the right things that made me figure it out. And one of the things is I tried the medication.

I had, I made a deal with myself. I couldn’t commit suicide because I didn’t want to put trauma on my family. And so what I did, I was talking to God. He can always ask him to please come get me. Cause if you come get me, it’s like, it won’t be so traumatic. It’ll just been my time. And so when I went to see doctors, I finally just folded and I told them what was going on and they gave me a Zoloft pill. And when I started taking that Zoloft, I, you know, the thing is it just made me sick. 

And, I continue to take it because I will always tell our clients the same thing doctors and therapists told me to tell them, which is you take this pill, it takes a while to build up your system. So you just keep taking it and eventually you’ll feel better. So I continued to do that. But the truth is the more I took it, the sicker I got in a darker and I almost wanted to take that deal off the table about suicide for myself. It was that bad until I just stopped taking it cold turkey. I was like, forget it. I’m not saying it does what you guys should do. Please don’t take that as medical advice, but that’s what I did.

And then I got back to a baseline where I just wanted to die and I could just wait on God to come get me. I wasn’t going to do it myself. And so when I went to see the documentary, Kanye West started talking about the meds. He was talking about the meds. And I remember he was talking about that in the public, in the media. The meds make him sick. I said, okay, that lines up with me. I was watching his behavior. He was ⁓ erratic. If you look at all these NFL players and these guys are doing the mass shootings, they’re same thing as erratic behavior. They go from zero to a hundred immediately.

I said, okay, but he lines up with concussant people, he’s a rapper. He didn’t have a concussion. And then there was something else he said. I did the numbers in my head. He got diagnosed bipolar at almost 40 years old. And that’s a no-no. That was a big red flag. I was like, wait a minute. Actually, the truth is I screamed in the theater like, bingo. I was like, okay, I figured this thing out. But I couldn’t line up the concussion because with this disorder.

You don’t get that at 40, you get it at 19 or 20, 21. You might be an outlier and get it at 30, possibly, but you’re not gonna get it, it’s not gonna be 40, it won’t be 40.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (18:16)

These are, William, are those kind of diagnosis you usually get much earlier than at 40. That was the red flag.

William Person (18:23)

Absolutely.

And then I remember the song that he had out. It was called Spit Through the Wire. And then that song, he said he had a car accident. He most lost his, he most didn’t get a contract. He broke his jaw. Was in the back of his mouth. And I went, my God, that’s it. He was misdiagnosed. He had a concussion and they gave him the same treatment that they gave the rest of us, which is nothing. They tell you to go sit in the corner and don’t go to sleep for three, four hours. And that’s what the treatment for concussions have been.

Forever were ever around the country. And so around the world actually, they, you you go sit in the corner and just, and then they give you ridiculous things to do. Like don’t look at the light. Well, my pupils are dilated. I can’t look at the light, you know? So you’re, the things you already know not to do is going to be natural. And so I went home and I, it’s like, it’s a formula I figured out. There’s a, the, from my concussion and other people, there’s a 10 year window from the concussion to that 10 years. There’s some weird things that are going to happen in the middle.

But at that 10 year period around there, things are gonna get so bizarre. You’re be like, what the hell is this? And then you got another six to eight years where it’s gonna get so unbearable where you’re gonna be begging for death or trying to end your life. And so I came home and I applied that to him, his diagnosis at 40. And I told my girlfriend who’s now my fiance, I said, hey, if I’m correct, he had a car accident in 2000 or 2002. And I had her Google it and his car accident was in 2002. And then what I did, I was like, my God, this guy.

He’s not bipolar. He’s got a concussion that was undiagnosed and untreated, and he can get help. And so I made a video. I posted it online. I put all the media, I tagged everybody in it and I went out on the line guys. My stuff is extremely specific. I told him, I said he was misdiagnosed. I told him what happened to him, how it happened and when it happened. Like there was nothing in there for me to, I didn’t mess up anything. And so last week he put out a

Apology to the Jewish people in the black community about his behavior. He realized that he had a concussion and a head injury that was misdiagnosed and messed up the frontal lobe of his brain. And now that my media started to reach out to my publicist, how did your client figure this out? Well, the same way I diagnosed the military with this stuff, it’s so predictable. And I’m really just trying to get that word out to people like this. For me, it took one hour of treatment to start the changes.

And I promise you, anybody if it’s really that condition, you got 30 days and you’re gonna feel better. And it’s expensive, but it’s simple.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (20:52)

Well, we’re going to talk about we’re going to talk about recovery and what your you know, your project really, which is a world first, I believe. But but I’m still look, this is mind-boggling. Excuse the pun. Mind-boggling to think of how widespread this is, how often it is misdiagnosed, and the implications of it. You’ve just touched on mass shootings, which we hear a lot about.

Yeah, in Australia globally. I think there’s one every day and a mass shootings anybody any killings over five people I think ⁓ and we never hear about it’s always kind of a a gun lobby kind of argument but we never hear about the mental health and the medications or in your as you’ve pointed out the trauma Yeah, that these people may have experienced to their brains this is a huge issue

I mean, you really have touched on something very, very significant here.

William Person (21:51)

Well, I’m glad you said that. I forgot about that video. I thought I was going to get in trouble for that one. I put another video. If you go to my TikTok channel, I’m one man with a chamber. I’m wearing a red Team USA shirt. There was a mass shooting and a New York kid went to the NFL office to kill those guys. Cause he said he has CTE. He left a CTE suicide note. So somehow, the internet made me have to be the CTE guru. I am not guys. I’m a guy living with this thing and Joe Namath saved my life and I’m just paying it forward. But I, on a video,

Well, first of all, this guy, he went to NFL office to kill these people and he left that note and they said he could not have CTE. He only played high school football. so on that day, my phone is ringing like crazy. My internet posts, people all on there, you know, talking to me about it. So I made a video. So I’m wearing a red Team USA shirt, guys. Don’t make fun of me. Cause I’m look disheveled. I’m just walking and talking. I ball bad angles. So I apologize. But I told people, like, you know, I said, I know we see athletes doing this and it’s a shame.

I said, but that is not the population that I fear. It’s our military. They have the same condition as us. And ⁓ we have to get them help. They’re American heroes or other countries heroes and they’re coming back and turning the guns on us. I said, it’s going to be, I said, it’s going to be a wave. Go back and fact-check me, guys. I was very specific. I said, there’s going to be a wave of military veteran mass shootings coming and we have to get ahead of this. And so I posted that video and the next day I hit court because I’m fighting for a class section.

All the athletes were suffering. And I said the same thing to the judge. And then on the courthouse steps, I said the same thing to my publicist, Jennifer Harspool, had a documentary producer there and my girlfriend was there, and a couple of other people. And so I made this very specific, broad statement. And then the very next week, a veteran went up to a bar in Anaconda, Montana. He murdered four people and he was hiding in the woods like a…

It was like the Rambo movie that happened. And then that was the following week after I made that statement. And then as they caught him, we had another active military guy going to a military base and he shot a lot of people on that base. And then about two weeks after that, another veteran went to a Mormon church in Minnesota. And what he did is he burned one half of the church and he went to the other side and started shooting. And so when they stopped him, there was bodies missing because he started that fire. And then we had an active… ⁓

Our National Guard were one, one of them was they shot two people, two of our National Guard members. One died, was a young lady and the other one was he survived. And the person who shot him was on the ground with our veterans in the, in the war zone. And they brought him back here as refuge. And so, um, he got the same, he was around the same exposure and it’s really what it is, the compression blast. See these guys, they’re so far back from the war. They’re shooting from so far away. They’re not seeing all the.

grim that some of them are, some of them are seeing grim. So PT, I’m not saying PTSD is not real, please. So please don’t get upset with me. So I know that’s a real thing. But what I’m saying, some of these guys aren’t seeing all that stuff. And I’m just thinking, how could this, I’m connecting to dad, I’m connecting to symptoms, I’m following the symptoms. And what I learned is the compression blast and the department of defense have admitted it. They know what this is. And so when I put that video, like I said, I thought I was going to be in so much trouble for this one.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (24:50)

No, no.

William Person (25:11)

But they’ve actually embraced me, treatnow.org. And like I said, we’re just really putting things out where we can treat veterans and get them treatment right away. And so we can stop this. Cause 31 % of rap mass shootings since 2012 is our veterans. It started happening when the wars changed and the weapons changed. And so I believe it’s a lot higher than 31%.

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Dr Ron Ehrlich (26:44)

So William, you just said something there which I have to get you to repeat again. The mass shooting, 31 % of the mass shootings that we hear reported in America are coming from veterans.

William Person (26:58)

I think it’s higher

Dr Ron Ehrlich (27:00)

But even at 31%, that’s still a very significant number. And to your point, PTSD, the war zone, the things that people experience, they see their friends killed, injured, horrific injuries. mean, mentally, this is a whole, this is, it’s not just as simple as PTIP and that not the P, not that CTE is simple, but it’s not just that.

It’s a complex issue, but this is often missed, missed as part of the issue.

William Person (27:31)

Yeah. Yeah. What I realized is not a mental health issue at all. It’s a physical injury that didn’t get addressed. Yeah. So let me bring it to you this way. As an athlete, raised, I was an athlete from 11 years old to 36. I’ve man, I’ve toured every muscle in my body. And so anytime you have an injury, you get inflammation that goes to that area. And so the first 72 hours you get ice and compression to push it out. No heat, absolutely no heat. Cause they’ll continue to cause more damage. 

And after the 72 hours, they alternate heat, ice, and they have like electric stimulation, ultrasound machines, acupuncture. And then when you get done, there’s some scar tissue in there. And so I always tell people for us at the Olympic Training Center, when a trainer comes out and have this little white rag, we like, uh-oh, that’s so the athletes, can bite it. Cause what they’re going to do is take the elbow and they’re going to put it right on the mass in my muscles and find the scar tissue and they’re going to break it up. They’re going to, and it’s painful. It’s just, oh, you know,

These grown men, I’m 220 pounds, 6’1″, 6’2″, athlete. I’m plopping on the table. I’m just trying to get away from this, you And that’s just what it is. But the thing of it is when you have concussion, it’s also a soft tissue in the brain. And so the inflammation is there, the scar tissue is there, and we don’t remove it. And so I believe it festers. And I believe that’s what CTE really is. And the scary part is you don’t have to be an athlete for this to happen. It happens if you was in a car accident, if you fall down and hit your head, I had a young lady who fell down and hit her head.

She had the same symptoms as me. And by the we went down the rabbit hole, she told me she didn’t have any concussion issues or anything, but she told me one time she fell backwards, hit her head and her arm seized up like this. I was like, cause she was mad at her doctors cause they couldn’t figure it out. said, bingo, that’s it. They’re not looking for that. And you didn’t even tell them that happened. And even if they were looking for it, they can’t find it on scans. But that inflammation, I guarantee you, was still there.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (29:22)

Yeah. Yeah. It’s interesting because I’ve been involved in chronic musculoskeletal pain all my professional life for over 40 years. And one of the most important things to remember in the diagnosis of chronic pain is that muscles have memory and that memory can last a lifetime if the inflammation isn’t resolved. Now that’s just for a muscle injury, let alone a brain injury. How do we die? How is a conclusive

William Person (29:43)

Yes.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (29:51)

How do we diagnose CTE in the early stages? I mean, and the late stages? How do we diagnose it?

William Person (29:58)

Well, there’s a lot of symptoms. For me, was, my symptoms was like a lot of adults, I keep seeing it over and over. Same thing happened to me. These adults are saying, I think I have adult ADHD because I can’t focus. I can’t remember. Or I go in the room and I can fit what I go in there for. You know, it’s that type of thing. But the biggest thing is when it really kicks in. You hear it, it’s right in our face. You just have to pay attention. 

Every time there’s a mass shooter or somebody commits suicide, that’s something really awful. The loved ones around them will tell you they just weren’t acting like themselves. They began to act different. That’s the key right there. That’s the number one key. When you hear that key, that’s the answer. That’s the true answer. So it’s a loved one thing. The people dealing with the victims who have it, we can’t see what we’re doing. We don’t know it. 

We can see it in everybody else. Like I was looking at my teammates commit suicide. One by one, I saw it. I couldn’t see it in myself, even though I was wanting to commit suicide myself. I couldn’t see it in them.

I made myself, didn’t, yeah. I, I couldn’t connect it. Your rational thought is kind of gone. And so for me as an athlete, my, my, my focus was ending my life. You know, as Kanye West, his weapon was his mouth. So that’s what he was doing in the media, insulting people. And for our veterans, their weapons are real weapons and they’re, they’re the best trained killers in the world now. And so.

That’s why they’re turning the gun on us. They’re a country’s hero and now they’re turning the gun on the people they want to save. And so it didn’t make sense to me. And once I connected the dots, it just made perfect sense.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (31:36)

It’s so interesting to hear you say that, that history, you know, observing people’s behavior is one of the most important diagnostic, you know, erratic, unusual, erratic, out of character behavior. Because one of my mentors in the chronic pain space said to me many, many years ago, if you listen to your patients, they’ll often not only tell you what’s wrong with them, but they’ll sometimes tell you how to fix it, but they will tell you what’s wrong with them.

If you’re aware of the questions you’re asking or what you’re looking for. If you’re not aware of it, if you’re not aware of it, then you know, it’s just bizarre. if you are aware of it, then some of these statements that people are making or patients are making or people are making gives you the clue. What about in the latter stages? Because, you know, by the time it gets to being actually diagnosable by scan, I’m assuming it’s gone a really long way.

William Person (32:33)

It’s not diagnosed with my scan right now. It’s diagnosed upon death. Upon. Autopsy. Autopsy. Autopsy.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (32:36)

It’s not. ⁓ okay.

autopsy my god okay so we are left with taking a good history and listen and observing behavior, and being aware of this condition to be able to join the dots.

William Person (32:55)

Well, yeah, what I’ve learned is the doctors are asking me what’s going on right now. That was the wrong question. They should have been asking me, where were you five to 10 years before this? Well, I was sliding down a hill on these giant mountains of the bobsled, crashing them and going back to the top and doing it again. That’s what they should have been asking me. Where was I at five to 10 years, and everybody else? There’s a, there’s a, it’s kind of like, I hate to say this, it’s almost like it’s a ticking time bomb once it goes off. And it’s just, the question is,

Is it going to get you or isn’t going to get you? If those symptoms start to fester, it’s going to get you. It’s slow. Lik,e I had these random days where I was cloudy. Then, eventually, by the time it got to the end, every day was cloudy. And so by the time that happened, it’s too late for me. Cause now most of these people, if you look at the last, I looked at the last few years of suicides of most of the people, they’re now alienated from their spouses. They would marry people. They’re now separate from the spouses. Or it was only one gentleman who was still at home with his family.

But he was living in the back bedroom, and they just revolved around him. And so we wind up isolating because our behavior is so extreme. We don’t leave the house because we really can’t. We’re doing just enough to get to work if we can, and we come back home, and we’re tucking in. And so that’s why this thing is, it just continues to just, once you get there, if your loved ones aren’t around you to see it and help you, it’s just really no way back. It’s just, can’t. Yeah.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (34:20)

Yeah. And as an aside, and I want to get onto recovery here, but as an aside, you mentioned Zoloft, which is a pretty common antidepressant. And I think that’s right. And one of the side effects of antidepressants, yes, which isn’t often mentioned, but one of the side effects of antidepressants, and that’s why it’s not recommended for people under the age of 21, is suicidal ideation which often results in suicide. That’s throwing in there as well, isn’t

William Person (34:34)

So sad.

William Person (34:51)

I I know why.

I think I know why I went down that well. Those meds are designed for healthy brains. And so my brain was not healthy. You know, it was compromised. Matter of fact, there was a, found this, I figured this one out just this last week. I woke up at three in the morning and it hit me. was like, my God. There was a kid who did a Sandy Hook high school shooting here in America. 

And I was just like something was just telling me to look at his background, because I look at the backgrounds, I can find it. And I was looking at his background. He had like, it’s the symptoms. The symptoms that we have, he was born with. yeah, he was born with those. Yeah. And so since he had those, his mother was a gun fanatic, she loved guns and she taught him to shoot. And so I, he did his mass shooting at 20. 

And so I applied the same formula that I figured out Kanye, figured out myself. And so if I’m right, she put a gun in his hand. He was shooting shotguns probably at the age of six to seven, eight, nine, somewhere in there, I would assume. And I don’t really know, because I can’t find the information online. His family would have to confirm that for me. But he came here with the symptoms that we wind up getting to, but he started with them. And so that blast was enough to really… And this is the first time I said this prediction online, so.

You’re the first to hear this one out loud from anybody, but I’m pretty sure I’m right because I’ve been right about every last one of them. And I don’t want to be right because what I see is very scary. It’s just, and it explains why.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (36:24)

Excuse the pun, but it’s mind-boggling.

William Person (36:26)

It also explains the violence rate around around the world now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 60 % of our inmates.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (36:33)

Turn to a more positive on. Go on 60 % of our inmates.

William Person (36:39)

Yes, they say 60 % of our inmates had untreated head injuries, like concussions and stuff like that. I believe it’s higher because those populations normally fight a lot. So all it takes is a good whipping, get punched in the head a few times, and that’s really all it takes to set this thing in motion. It’s really the, it doesn’t take, the medical community has it wrong. It’s not always just repeated, repeated, repeated, because I’ve met the people with the same symptoms who had, who’s falling one time, which is a housewife.

And that’s how I connected the dots. I’m looking at the masses, and it’s, it’s, they have it wrong. And like I said, every prediction I put out, they’re so extreme and specific and against what people are saying. And, everybody is now confirming, yeah, he’s, he was correct. He’s correct. He’s correct. And yeah.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (37:23)

Yeah. Well, you mentioned a housewife, and we are actually going to be doing a program very soon on domestic violence, which is a very serious issue as well. But listen, let’s turn to, well, let’s be a little positive here because what was the moment you realized, what was the turning point for you? You know, I mean, you mentioned hyperbaric oxygen therapy. What what what was what? Tell us a bit about that and what was the turning point for you?

William Person (37:50)

Well, I had a teammate ⁓ named Pavle Javanovic. He wanted to be a writer. And so if you look at my background, I was in a movie called Jerry Maguire. I was the guy they hired to run up and down a football field with five different uniforms, working with Tom Cruise and Cuba Gooding Jr. And so I’m doing that kind of stuff. So Hollywood was my background. So when I left Team USA, I went back to LA. I’m a writer now. So my teammate probably wanted to write. So he was calling me with these extreme concepts of movies. And I’m just thinking,

Whoa, that’s awesome. I’ve never seen that before. And so I’m showing him how to write this thing and create it. The very last time he called me, he was speaking some weird gibberish or language. I don’t know what he was saying. he was, and he got so frustrated that I couldn’t understand him. hung up the phone on me. And I told myself every day to help him because mental health is my thing. And by the same time, my symptoms are awful, but I’m not connecting the dots between the two of us. Eventually I got the word that he went to his family’s factory and he hung himself. And

Dr Ron Ehrlich (38:45)

My God.

William Person (38:45)

Yeah, and then at that time I knew I was in trouble. I’m in dementia. I didn’t know I was in dementia. I’m getting lost in my own community. I’m laying on my floor all day. I’m living off of caffeine now because I’m thinking that’s what’s keeping me going, which only was making me sicker. So I bought a lake house near my hometown so I could get closer to family. It was my death house. I was going there to die and I couldn’t get lost there. Like all I could do is get some good fishing in or cut the grass. Four acres, man. That’s all I could do over there.

And so I’m over there, this article, once again, a slated article from the New York Times shows up. Somebody sends it to me. I read the article. let me tell you this. Let me back, let me take a step back. The reason I left LA to go there, not only was I fading, but I was doing COVID. My girlfriend at the time, who’s now my fiance, she was, we were in house together. We were stuck in house looking at each other all day long. She’s on the phone with her families and she’s from New York and they talk extremely loud and it was killing me.

And so I was like, babe, we have to break up. I’m going to Lake House, get some peace. We need to read. We’ll revisit this later. I’m going home for a bit. So I went back to the Lake House. I’m sitting over there. That’s when a New York Times article showed up. And it was talking about my teammates and the suicides and the Parkinson’s and seizures, all the same thing everybody else had, all the symptoms, same symptoms. read them. I get on my knees and I thank God all the symptoms miss me. I was like, woo.

Meanwhile, I’ve been looking for my doctor’s harassing them for two decades trying to figure out what this is. So I sent an article to my girlfriend and man, she circles some stuff and send it back. First thing I see is noise sensitivity. It was the reason why I was away from her in the first place. And I went, uh-oh. Then I went down that list and I checked almost every box except Parkinson’s. And I went, my God, like how did I miss this? And so I started speaking to my teammates. One by one, I was calling these guys.

And they said the same thing. Oh, symptoms miss me. But since we haven’t spoken a long time, you know, they’re telling me these bizarre stories. I’m like, wait a minute, you doing what? Like, you know, so I said, you know, share that article with your loved ones. And if you feel the need to call me back, please call me back. And every single time my phone started to ring and then, then Pavlis eventually his autopsy showed up. He was in stage four of CTE. So my peers, that’s what was wrong with them. My driver from the world championship, Stephen Hocum.

He took his life at the Olympic Training Center. And so now my boogie man is real. I who he is. I know what he looks like. I’m still cloudy. I’m still confused. I’m still on that floor struggling. But my algorithm on my phone changed because now I’m looking for CTE stuff. Because if you look up the CTE, you’ll start seeing just the violence and the horrible stories. But one angel popped through was Joe Namath. Do you know who he is? Joe Namath, the football player?

Dr Ron Ehrlich (41:28)

Heard of him, but tell remind our listener I’ve heard of him he’s a football legend, isn’t he?

William Person (41:33)

Yeah, absolutely. He’s a first flamboyant football quarterback. He was on the sidelines in the 60s before I was born with fur coats on. So this guy, you know, but in his videos, he released, he said he reversed his symptoms using hyperbaric oxygen. And so I started doing a research on that and that was scary. Like I was like, whoa, hyperbaric oxygen blew up. Like, I don’t want to get in that. Like, you know, it scary, but I found a place who would let me come down and try it. So this guy Hans down in Orange County, California, he told me to come down and try it.

So I go down there and I’m in the chamber for about an hour. And when I come out, all the colors around me are so vivid and pretty. It was almost like I was kind of walking around in a 3D. was just bizarre. And so I realized I probably hadn’t been seeing colors for a while. I’m not still not quite sure about that, but I don’t think I was. And so if you see my glass are slightly tinted because this lights are sensitive to lights. So I grabbed these glasses to put them on. I don’t need them. I’m just, okay. I’m putting them on, taking them off.

And that salesman comes over to me and he says the strangest thing to me. He asked me what’s wrong. And I said, ⁓ I don’t know. I don’t think I need my glasses right now. And he was like, you’re one of those. And I’m like, wait a minute. He comes. He’s a con man. He’s going to try to hustle me and sell me this $20,000 machine that I can’t afford. 

Cause I just bought this house. I don’t have any cash land around. And, but he was right, man. Some people get immediate relief like me and some people need 30 days of two treatments a day for 30 days to the same type of relief. And I went home and man, do you want the PG version or do want the true version? All right, I’m getting the true version.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (43:10)

I want the true. And William, William, just before you give me the true version, just remind our listener very quickly what a hyperbaric oxygen chamber is.

William Person (43:20)

Actually, this is one right behind me. This is my hyperchloric acid chamber. What it does, you get in there and it pressurizes and it makes your body believe that it’s at least a minimum of nine to 10 feet underwater. And at that point, your blood is more like a gas. So it’s able to send oxygen and blood through all the blockages that you have. So there’s a lot of people with strokes and things like that. They’ll put them in there for that. It’s a blockage issue. If you have a

If you’re a diabetic and it’s starting to ready to amputate, say if you put him in there, it’ll help circulate all the blood and oxygenate and they won’t be amputating your egg. So that’s what this machine really is. If you have burns that won’t heal, wounds that won’t heal, the hospitals will put you in there. And so, yeah, that’s what this machine is. So, yeah.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (44:06)

Okay, now give us the true story. Now give us the true story.

William Person (44:10)

Okay, so I get home, man. I’m, I’m, feeling different. I’m, you know, I’m seeing colors. I’m watching TV. I fall asleep on the sofa. This probably about nine o’clock. I can remember. I wake up at midnight with this massive migraine part of my condition. I get vertigo a lot. Well, I used to get vertigo a lot in migraines and I get a migraine and I hadn’t had one in while. So I’m thinking, did this thing harm me? Maybe it didn’t help me. Maybe it hurt me. But I quickly realized that

Something was going on, something up there was changing because with this migraine, I had an erection. I’ve never had them two show up at the same time. Nobody ever has an erection. I mean, have the migraine and be like, Hey, let’s go, let’s go make love. Yeah. Not at all. So I go climb in the bed at midnight and I wake up in the morning about eight, nine o’clock migraine gone erection is still there. I’m thinking, what is this?

Dr Ron Ehrlich (44:51)

Not usually connected, not-

William Person (45:03)

And I didn’t have any erectile dysfunctions or anything like that, but something was being rewired. And over the next few hours, all that cloudiness I had was gone. And it lasted six days and it began to wear off. And I went back a second time and it lasted about nine days this time. And then, yeah, before it started to wear off. But so then I had to get one. actually the truth is I didn’t have that money laying around. And so by the time I got the money together, I had faded back into the abyss, man. Like I didn’t even…

I didn’t even remember having treatment before. was back in that, but my fiance was talking to my dad and one day I went to pay a bill and there was 20 extra thousand in my account and I went and grabbed it and he said, go get that chamber. I did, that’s what’s behind me. And the crazy part is it took a couple months to get here. And by the time I got here, I was at the darkest I’ve ever been. I was back in that same abyss. But once I got in that chamber, I just came back and…

Dr Ron Ehrlich (45:58)

How long ago was that? When did the chamber arrive? How long ago did you actually gain control of it in your own home?

William Person (46:07)

of September of 2022.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (46:10)

Wow. So you’ve had it now for three and half or more years. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay. Now this leads us to something that you’re building your building, because not everybody does have $20,000 or the fees to go and do that every twice a day for 30 days. Your building is CTE Recovery Center that removes the cost barrier. And I think it’s fair to say it’s the world first post concussion thing. Tell us about it. Tell us about that what modalities you’ve got. Tell us about that initiative. It’s really exciting.

William Person (46:43)

Well, one of my problems is like for me is like when I first started feeling really good, I thought I had crossed it. I was done. I beat this thing. I’m cured. And one time I didn’t experiment. ⁓ a lot of people get permanent relief. I don’t happen to be wanting to get permanent relief. And so let me go about 30 days or if I get stressed, it wears off quicker without, without hyperbaric. I started to go backwards again. I feel the itchiness on me. But so the first time I did that, I thought I was done. I stopped using it. I don’t know how long it took.

Next thing I know, was back in that dark space and I was back in that suicidal thoughts and I was just crying and just stressed out and trying to figure out what happened. I was doing so good. And then I literally tripped over the chamber in my living room and I went, yeah, I’m doing an experiment to see if I still need this thing. And so that’s what this thing is. Like you gotta still be careful. This is not, for me, it’s not like one, like so many people, there’s up minis who do get that permanent. I’m just, I’m not one of them yet. And I probably won’t be.

Cause I did the sport for nine years and, and I saw I have over like 2200 concussions on my, on my system system because of that G four stuff. And so I’m, I’m the, that’s good because I’m the worst case scenario. No soldier is going to have more than what I have. And that’s why I know this thing is going to work. So what I’m doing now is I’m removing that cost barrier. I don’t want anybody to have this thing. And then when you find out what you need, that’s going to save you to not have it. So I’m opening it up to the public for free. I don’t care where you come from.

I don’t care what country you come from, as as you’re an ally of America. I want to open this up for everybody, but starting with our soldiers. But I’m not going to turn anybody down who needs that treatment. And so that’s what I’m trying to do. And some of 501 C3 and it’s official. And we’re now at the point where like, I’m not taking private money. No, it’s got to be donations because this is for humanity. And I got to set up to like when my day comes and I leave this place, I want it to still be up and going in here forever. So that’s what I’m doing now.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (48:39)

So if you had to write your perfect ideal script, what would that center look like? You’d have 10, 20, mean, sounds like this is such a big problem that gosh, I could imagine a center with 20 different hyper, 20 hyperbaric chambers there and this thing going almost nonstop.

William Person (48:59)

Yeah, that’s the problem in America. it’s right here in our faces. you just look at the violence, look at the violence. People aren’t just naturally violent for a reason. It’s just something’s happened. you know, but there are some who are, you know, so I won’t say everybody here is the reason why it’s that way, but there are so many who’s not because I’ve narrowed it down to three categories. There’s the veterans, there’s the people who have concussions with car accidents, sports people like me.

And then there’s these outliers who are mental health people and was this mental health people and like the people that have been kind of radicalized, you know, so that’s kind of the three, three sections, you know? And so, yeah. And the sad thing is so many people are suffering and now that the government’s there, there’s these centers, they’re, they’re around right now for our veterans. We started to start the legislation in every state right now. think there’s seven states that’s approved it so far.

And we’re just going state to state to fix it where the veterans. So eventually they won’t need me. But the American people and the regular people are going to continue to this service.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (50:01)

Wow. So, so just finishing up now, William, because this is an amazing story. mean, I’ve been doing podcasts for 10 years. have a 600 podcast and I’ve been in practice for 45 years. but CTE, I mean, this is an example of how it’s easily missed. This is an important and new story for me, but for our listeners, for someone listening right now, who’s struggling with brain fog, mood changes maybe even post-concussion symptoms, what do you most want them to know?

William Person (50:32)

Well, there’s a way back, but first of all, they won’t hear my story. won’t understand. They won’t probably be able to digest it unless they catch it before it gets too far. If it’s too far already, you can tell them what they have exactly. They’re not gonna hear it or understand it. You might as be saying blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It’s your loved ones. It’s the loved ones who need to listen. yeah, just you find me on TikTok. I’ll help you find, I’ve been doing it for two years, helping people find treatment in their community. Sometimes I can get…

I’ve got a range where I could do it for free. But like I said, my goal is to get it to where I don’t have to keep sending people to other people. Just I got a facility, it be ready. And you come to me and if you need 30 days of treatment, I got you. And it’s not gonna put you in debt to do it. You’re not going to have to bankruptcy behind it and you’re gonna feel better. know, and it’s, yeah, is. that, so if you, if your loved ones are struggling, find me on TikTok. 

I’m one man with a chamber is what it’s called. I’ll help you. And you can find me, he’s a William Person. You can find me on social media. I don’t turn anybody down and I don’t charge you this is not a give me some money and I don’t get any money for selling chambers I don’t get a kickback for no it’s none of that it’s a humanity thing.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (51:36)

Yeah. Well, William, thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention, sharing your experience, your knowledge, your wisdom and your advice on such an important issue. And we will have links to all of those areas that you’ve mentioned and more. Thank you so much. Thank you.

William Person (51:57)

Thank you. You appreciate you.

Dr Ron Ehrlich (51:58)

Well, as I said, I keep learning and I hope you do too. CTE. Well, this opens up a whole area. didn’t even, you know, the whole story with the military involved in that. And we’ve done programs on PTSD and the use of psychedelics, but this would be an aha moment for people in that area. Specifically, go back to listen to a rear Admiral Chris Barry and his fearless.org. organization which deals with PTSD. 

And as I said, the military have a lot of reasons why they may be traumatized, but this is an additional thing which needs to be considered. Look, we’ll have links to all of those TikTok, Instagram, the GoFundMe initiatives that William has started. I would encourage you also to join our unstressed health community. We’ve got some great things organized some live webinars every month where we’ll touch on a topic. 

And the first one is coming up at the end of February on mental fitness. It’s coming up in the next few days, in fact, from the release of this podcast. Or just join the unstressed health community and also leave us a review on Spotify or on Apple podcasts. It all helps to get the message out. I hope this finds you well. Until next time, this is Dr. Ron Erhlich. Be well.

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