Show Notes
- Dr Christabelle Yeoh website – Next Practice Genbiome
- Mito Core Clinic
- Dr Christabelle Yeoh previous episode in Unstress Mast Cell Activation and Why You Might Be More Sensitive Than You Think
- Unstress Episode with Prof Victora Marcial-Vega
Timestamps
[00:00:00] – Dr Ron Ehrlich introduces the episode and the concept of “Unstress Health.”
[00:03:09] – Dr Christabelle Yeoh joins the conversation, discussing her background and expertise.
[00:04:17] – Dr Christabelle Yeoh explains the importance of mitochondrial health and its genetic aspects.
[00:06:32] – Discussion on the role of mitochondria in energy production and their genetic information.
[00:10:02] – The transition from prokaryotic to eukaryotic cells and the significance of mitochondria.
[00:15:09] – Dr Yeoh shares foundational lessons on improving mitochondrial health.
[00:17:01] – The importance of light exposure and its effects on health and sleep.
[00:19:26] – Discussion on the timing of eating and supplements for optimal health.
[00:23:58] – Introduction to the concept of adaptive medicine and its relevance to health.
[00:26:35] – Exploring various intentional stressors for improving health, including exercise.
[00:31:22] – Overview of treatments used in Dr. Yeoh’s practice, including PEMF and red light therapy.
[00:34:29] – Discussion on the benefits and protocols for cold exposure.
[00:40:36] – Emphasis on the need for a holistic approach to health care.
[00:46:22] – Insight into the high rates of burnout among healthcare practitioners.
[00:50:47] – Dr Christabelle Yeoh shares actionable tips for listeners to enhance their well-being.
[00:52:52] – Dr. Ehrlich thanks Dr. Yeoh and summarizes key takeaways from the episode.
An Integrative Approach to Mitochondrial Function
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:00:00] Feeling stressed. Overwhelmed. It’s time to Unstress your life and focus on controlling what you can control. I’m Dr. Ron Erlich, host of the Unstress Health Podcast, inviting you to join the Unstress health community and discover a holistic approach that helps you more effectively face the daily challenges of our modern world and effectively recover each and every day. Unstress Health is here to provide you with advice and support that is independent of industry and influence, an influence that is easy to miss but difficult to ignore. Our focus is on building mental fitness. Your mind can be your best friend or your worst enemy. Mental fitness is the key. Our three phased approach Target mindset Whose positive intelligence quotient and move from self-sabotage to self-mastery. Secondly, the challenges We redefine what stress means in our modern world. And thirdly, recovery master the five pillars of Health. As a member of the Unstress health community. You’ll turn obstacles into opportunities with expert led courses, curated podcasts, personalised health assessments, supportive community, and much, much more. Join Unstress Health today and together let’s not just survive but thrive. Click on the link below or visit Unstress health.com. Hello and welcome to Unstress. My name is Dr. Ron. Well, today’s episode we explore adaptive medicine. We take a deep dive into integrative medicine. If you are watching this on YouTube, you can actually go on a tour an extra bonus at the end of the interview. I take you on a tour of an integrative practice specifically focussed on mitochondrial function, improving mitochondrial function. And that’s a topic today as well. Not just adaptive medicine, not just integrative medicine. Mitochondrial function. We’re going to be talking about the light diet that we should all be conscious of light hygiene or rather and particularly checking in with the sun on a regular daily basis and how important that is. We’re also going to learn about hetero plasma. I won’t spoil it for you. My guest today is Christabelle Yeoh and Christabelle has been a guest on the podcast before. She is one of Australia’s leading integrative medical practitioners, functional medical practitioners. For those listening in the States, Christabelle has literally taught thousands of doctors and health practitioners in Australia and overseas about functional medicine. She’s the former president of the Australasian College of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine and is a regular presenter. At their conferences, their courses and many other courses around the world. I hope you enjoy this conversation I had with Dr. Christabelle. Welcome back, Christabelle.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:03:09] Hi, Ron. So happy to be here.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:03:14] Christabelle You know, I am a huge fan of your practice. I am very proud, patient of it. And I believe you are setting the standard for how medicine could and should be practised, not just in Australia. I’m talking globally here. I know you’re giving a lot of lectures to you’ve done it to the Australasian College, your of nutritional and environmental medicine, of which you have been past President. And you also are giving have given a talk to NiMH, the National Institute of Integrative Medicine. Your topic is the biophysics of hetero plasma. And when I looked at that, I thought, you know, I have to look it up. And then I even when I looked it up, I didn’t quite understand it. But just but then when you started to explain it before we came on, I thought, don’t waste another breath. Explain it to my audience as you will explain it to me. Tell us about why the biophysics of hetero plasma is something we should all be familiar with.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:04:17] Thanks, Ron. It is a privilege to talk to you. You’ve had so many amazing thought leaders and speakers on your podcast, so I’m really happy to be here and I’ve been educating on mitochondria for about ten years. I’ve been an integrative practitioner for almost 20 years. I’ve been a doctor for 25 years and the beginning was always very much about brain health neuroinflammation because I was treating a lot of people with autism, chronic fatigue, chronic infections like tick borne illnesses, that sort of thing. And it really affects the brain. And you just really have to find the best ways to get your patients. Well, because I’m I’m results driven. I’m not a big research person. And then ten years ago, I was really studying a lot about mitochondria, thanks to Robert Nava, who wrote the cell danger response about 12 years ago. And so ever since then, in the last ten years, it’s just this wonderful mitochondrial journey and I’ve been educating on that. And in nutritional medicine, where we’re so familiar with nutrition, genomics, epigenetics, we talk about diet, lifestyle. And so now I’m bringing in hetero passed me because that is the epigenetics of the mitochondria. So the mitochondria are affected by a lot of the things that we already talk about sleep, exercise, you know, toxicity, nutrient supply. Of course they’re affected by those things. But if we just keep that discussion to basic epigenetics as it were, we’ll miss out on some of the massively important biophysical aspects of the mitochondria. And I just so my talk is about highlighting the biophysical properties of the mitochondria and its bio energetic function is going to be affected by that. So hetero plasma is basically about the mitochondrial genes that tell you about the mitochondrial genes.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:06:32] Yes, because I think most people would be familiar with the fact that we have genes in our cells and we are not victim to our genes. This is the wonderful science of epigenetics where we can actually it’s more important how your genes express themselves rather than just be a victim to your genes. And this is empowering. But a lot and a lot of people will have heard about mitochondria that it’s all about energy, but they may not be familiar with the fact that they also have their own genetic information. Let’s go back to 101 there and just remind our listener about that.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:07:10] So 101 But first, I will say that, yes, it’s all about energy, but it’s not about mitochondria making energy. We always hear people say, Are mitochondria the powerhouses of the cell? They’re making ATP. So I really like to change that language. Mitochondria aren’t making energy that energy transducers, so they are capacitors. They store energy. And by the way, when they store energy, you will have a lot of energy because it’s like the battery is charged up, but they’re not there to just produce you energy at the drop of a hat because you want some. It’s actually nature’s got all these beautifully built in mechanisms. And, you know, when we think about nature and we think about evolutionary principles and I know that you’re across all that ancestral health type of thinking wrong, then we actually go back a bit more to why are the mitochondria doing what they’re doing? They’re not just making energy because you need to exercise and work harder. So back to the mitochondria genes. So the mitochondria have 37 genes and that pales in comparison to our what, 22,000 nuclear genes that we have in the DNA. It was probably in the early 1950s and 1950s, mid 1950s. Watson and Crick came out with that understanding of DNA. It was actually not long after that in the mid-sixties, Mitchell and Marv came out with understanding that mitochondria have their own DNA as well. And there’s circular DNA, and there are 37 of them, 13 of which are the most important genes that code for oxidative phosphorylation. So your energy production, so mitochondrial genes are really all geared towards the bio energetics of the cell, which is ultimately the survival of the cell. And and if you go back further to about 2.5 billion years ago and that’s the end, the symbiosis theory that you know our ancestors well, we really came from our eukaryotic cells, really came from a prokaryote engulfing or ingesting an alpha appropriate bacterium. And that was that made what became a mitochondria. And it was because they knew how to use oxygen and make more energy that then evolution allowed prokaryotic cells to evolve into. You carry your cells by having these mitochondria inside them.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:10:02] Let me just stop there because again, I want to remind our listeners, you’re using the term prokaryotic, which has been around for billions of years, which is really a single cell organism that’s just got a cell membrane and it’s got genetic material floating around in there and all that. But there was something quite exciting which happened evolutionarily speaking, I think around 500 million years ago with the eukaryotic. There was a cell membrane and then the nucleus was enclosed within that cell membrane. And so we had a nucleus that contained the cell. And is that the way we distinguish prokaryotic to eukaryotic? Because then that allowed multicellular organisms to develop?
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:10:46] Yeah.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:10:47] Okay, good. That’s good. That’s good. So we so, so these mitochondria somehow inhabited the prokaryotic primitive single cell organism or did that happen when it became a eukaryotic one?
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:11:05] It happened when it became a eukaryotic one and that was to 2.5 billion years ago. And I don’t think yeah that that is that has been written about by Nick Lang, who is an amazing evolutionary biology geneticist from UCL in London. And. So here are a few of his books. A few of his books are Power, Sex and Suicide.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:11:39] But two titles.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:11:40] About the origins of life and mitochondria and really that just the basics of origins of life, which is a lot of chemistry, a lot of basics of redox chemistry particularly. So when I read these papers, I’m not I’m not really the best chemist for his. Just so fascinating to think where our ancestry came from and that from an energy perspective, it comes down to Redox, right? So when we as nutritional medicine practitioners, everyone’s trying to increase the energy and we’re giving them l-carnitine and magnesium and vitamin B five and coenzyme Q10, and those are all the nutrients that are important in, in the citric acid cycle, oxidative phosphorylation, so on. But before nutrient processing, which then can allow ATP synthesis, there’s first redox balancing and redox balancing redox reduction, oxidation reduction, oxidation chemistry is just about protons and electrons. It’s a biophysical property and I know that you’ve been really getting into quantum biology.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:12:58] We’re going to talk about we’re going to talk about it. It’s interesting, isn’t it, Christabelle, that we all studied biochemistry in as undergraduates and we studied couldn’t wait to finish biochemistry so that we never had to worry about it again. In fact, we have to worry about it every single day of our lives. But but we studied the electron transport chain. We didn’t study the carbon. What we did talk about carbohydrate and leopard, but we didn’t talk about the carbohydrate transport chain or the fat transport chain or the protein. We talked about electrons, which is why biophysics and quantum biology is just so exciting.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:13:40] It it is so exciting and I wish I was a better physicist. I could have it more. But you know, like I said, I’m just results driven in my practice and I have a lot of complex presentations, complex patients, and the beauty of it is at least I don’t have to be a real physicist. I just need to know how to put it in practice. Yeah. And we put it in practice and we see the results and the patients and we have come through the last few decades of functional medicine, of course, which I love and I’m fully trained in. And I think that which is coming to the ceiling of that, to be honest, because people have terrible biophysical health nowadays and find that like some of them are catching up with a decent diet and that’s becoming much easier in the last decade or so. And a lot of people are popping supplements, but there is a biochemistry ceiling if that biophysical health isn’t good. And so what I’m finding is that actually for my patients, they’ve gone through many, many other doctors. And if I can educate them further on Redox on mitochondrial health as it pertains to our biophysics and all the other components of epigenetics, then we really see results. And it’s just just I’m so grateful for that and so excited to share this information.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:15:09] What are some of the lessons, the basic lessons that you teach your patients about that those procedures? You know, what are some of the basic lessons everyone should know.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:15:22] So everyone should know light hygiene? Flight hygiene. Yeah, I don’t. Let’s don’t say sleep hygiene.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:15:32] Yeah. I think we’ve done enough.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:15:35] Yeah. Like hygiene. Because if you get the light right. And I know for some people, they’re very sick, and it’s not as simple as that. But for most people, if you get the light right, the sleep should follow. You know, animals sleep in the dark, at least not nocturnal ones. And so light hygiene, we do a lot of education about that and changing the light environment in people’s homes, offices. Yeah. Just like hygiene. That also refers to what I always say. Clock in the clock in with the sun. So we evolved our butt naked and no clothes under the sun, and we literally need to clock in with the various light frequencies through the day to inform our psyche and biology. And when I was a kid in biology and all the amazing photoreceptors, largely through our eyes, but all through our system, we get the right information from from nature. Then a lot of the right biochemical neuroendocrine hormonal metabolic signals will follow. So when we can get that right, then a lot of other things can improve and we tweak food and supplements and so on.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:17:01] And yeah, it’s that’s what I love about this quantum approach is it’s very accessible and, and yet and yet the world we live in is very challenging to that, let alone some of the ridiculous. And I have to call it out for what it is the ridiculous public health messages we get. I mean, the demonisation of the son is a classic example of that ism.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:17:30] Yeah. And overcovered. We all had to stay indoors. Right. So like, it is very accessible, but it is also the, the increasingly industrial environments we live in that do make it makes it very difficult for some people, like some people don’t have the space and the countryside to live in to get away from non-native EMF, which is why 5G, 4G or all the dense electromagnetic radiation that you would have in the city. But if people if people have got the right information, they can at least start to build that environment, you know, for their biophysical health. And I think that is also why we’re seeing this ceiling of biochemical treatments not going as far as they used to go. When I started practising environmental medicine 18, 19 years ago, it was so much easier to treat my patients. We get the diet right. We detox them, people get better. And now it’s just such a struggle. And I have no doubt that our mobile devices and the you know, electric electrification of our Earth is a huge part of warping of our physical health. And the mitochondria listening to those signals, they have receptors for. For frequencies.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:19:08] Yeah, Go on. Yes, I’m. I mean, this is. This is the home of the electron transport chain, Mitochondria. So this is where the rubber. What do they say? The rubber meets the road. This is where our relationship with light and electrons starts to have its effect.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:19:26] Yeah. And in the research now, if you look things up like optogenetics, empty switches, mitochondrial switches. The research now is studying very, very specific lights, light frequencies to switch mitochondrial switches up and down to change metabolic outcome. And that’s maybe that’s the new farmer, Ron.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:19:52] Yes, Big Pharma, Big Pharma will just come up with different light frequencies.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:19:58] It’s I mean, I mean, it’s going to probably be related to chronobiology. And there’s a lot of chronobiology research going on at the moment. Chrono Medicine, what time you take certain drugs for the best effect because they’re also understanding that that there is a circadian rhythm to certain molecules and the best effects have got certain times the best time to exercise, which is starting to see that come through on genetic testing panels. The best time to take this, the best time to do that, of course, the best time to eat is always in the light. So that’s the other thing that we educate on. So light hygiene is not just the light environment. Clocking, clocking in outside the sun, looking after the light environment indoors. It is also what time you eat. That’s part of the light hygiene because the circadian we’ve got central clocks that’s reset photoreceptors in the eyes, suprachiasmatic nucleus in the brain regulating to what time it is through the day, the sun is going through the sky. But we also have peripheral clocks in our bodies. So that’s listening to our food. So if we’re eating late at night, we’re telling our body clock that it’s daytime.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:21:22] We don’t think about that about the time. I mean, we we think through well, it’s often said three meals a day, blah, blah, blah. And we’ve talked about intermittent fasting as well. But interesting to look upon the timing of our our eating and and actually our supplements and actually any medications. According to the Chrono biology, the biology of our relationship with light. This is go on. I mean I think it’s really interesting you say eat with the light and that makes sense. What about supplements? There must be a better time to be taking supplements as well rather than wolf them all down in the morning and get it over and done with?
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:22:10] Well, I think a lot of people would already intuitively think and know that, you know, like B vitamins are activating because they’re stimulating energy and they just take them in the day time. And then parts magnesium is more. So you take it at night. But I haven’t done a deep dive into chronobiology of supplements, and I’m sure that’s coming. But I don’t think Big Pharma sinking money into that, whereas they are sinking money into what time you do your chemotherapy.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:22:43] Interesting. Really? And what are they coming up with?
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:22:47] Just different timings of relating to different drugs in different cell types. Yeah. Yeah. So that that’s chrono medicine. So I’m not I know that they’re doing that, but I’m not that interested in that.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:23:00] So we were talking about Chrono biology and that this is, you know, getting in tune. I love your, you know, light hygiene. What a great, great evolution, actually, because I used to think that sleep hygiene was the key. But as you say, if we can get that right, hygiene right, then sleep hygiene follows. I know. In your practice. So I understand the biophysics. Well, the biophysics of hetero plasma, the fact that we need to respect the genetic information in the mitochondria as well as the genetic information inside the cell. We did a program recently with Brett O’Brien who who’s working with you, Jane, by him there, and we talked about adaptive medicine in a home basis. And that may not be a word that people may be that familiar with. Tell us about homocysteine and how that relates to mitochondrial function.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:23:58] Okay. And people are not that are aware of the word homelessness. But it seems to me everybody everybody’s saying longevity.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:24:07] Okay.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:24:09] And okay, so if you want to know about longevity, you have to know about resists.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:24:14] Well, everyone aspires to longevity, so I guess everyone should be aspiring to home. Ace’s gone. Do go home.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:24:21] Right. So really, the fact that our our evolutionary biology, which is translated and transduced through our mitochondria, our evolutionary biology allows us to evolve and get stronger. And what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. That happens through whole mazes or emetic pathways, and the whole emetic pathways are all exercise through metabolic pathways. Okay. When I say exercise through metabolic pathways because the one that everybody knows about is exercise. So exercise is a whole mattick activity, right? So exercise, we have to push ourselves, We have to make ourselves do things we might not feel like it. You have to lift that heavier weight and you do run that bit faster and you’re panting away and you want to stop and then let your muscles hurt. So how Mrs.. Allows our body to grow stronger, bigger, better, faster, heal injuries, recover from strains and stresses through the metabolic pathways that are challenged by that additional stress. So Mrs. is introducing a metabolic stress. To ourselves, which then allows the adaptation of ourselves to become more capable of doing X, Y, z. So the adaptive medicine which really came from the Russians is that’s the idea that you use for medical signals. Automatic therapies give people advice like exercise to stimulate all the right pathways for your metabolism that goes through the mitochondria to get well to transduced more energy to we’ll just say to give you more energy. But that’s not just because you want to exercise harder and longer. You actually have to recover better. You have to be able to recover well and then you can get stronger.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:26:35] And you mentioned exercise, which, you know, people know is good for them. But there are other forms of intentionally stressing your body. What are some other examples of that?
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:26:50] So as part of our evolutionary biology evolving on planet Earth, all the natural stresses that our bodies are exposed to radiation, so we’re exposed to low dose radiation, and that is the sun is also a degree of low dose radiation. And in the home mixes literature, radiation has been studied as a treatment. So in our clinic, we don’t do that. But then the next thing is magnetic fields. So on planet Earth, we have a whole range of magnetic fields. And we do need magnetic fields for survival. Like, you need gravity for your bones. You go to the moon and you will realise that you get osteoporosis as astronauts do, as when they lose gravitational force fields. So gravity and magnetic fields is also a whole magic signal that is necessary for stimulating cells to grow, to be active, to do things. So gravity signals our osteoblasts to build bone density. But you can also use devices that simulate magnetic field. So big one is PMF. Yes. Also electromagnetic fields. Yes. Is that as well?
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:28:19] Well, you know, in your clinic, in the part of your clinic, I know it’s it’s a branch of your clinic, perhaps where it’s the focus is on this mitochondrial function. It really we. I visited the clinic, and we probably should at that point got him to to for you to take us on a bit of a tour of that, which I will do in this episode. But but Pam, you know, we talked to Professor Victor Marshall Vega on the program, who’s also on the board of the author Molecular Medicine News Service with myself and 50 other wonderful practitioners. But he introduced me to Pam just the day that I came to your clinic. I never heard of it before. And then you introduced me to it. Just give it to me again. Just explain it again.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:29:09] The pump pulse, electromagnetic fields. And I would say probably a lot of our chiropractic and musculoskeletal colleagues are familiar with this kind of treatments and. I mean, I’ve, I’ve used it for 18 years, started using it in our practice in England to treat osteoporosis. And that’s a very well known therapeutic indicator to treat osteoporosis and osteopenia. But it’s simply a machine that has got coils in it. And when you run an electrical field through it or you just turn it on, it produces a magnetic field and so it produces that magnetic field on your body or on the area that you’re going to treat. For example, it’s used a lot for athletes who’ve got joint injuries, and it literally puts a charge, magnetic charge into the the tissues, into the cells. And so for that reason, it’s used to treat injuries that are hard to get to in the cartilage, in bone, in joints, because there’s not not much blood or no blood flow going there. That sort of pimped devices and there’s lot of different types of pumps as high intensity pumps and there’s low intensity pumps. And people are still researching what what’s best for what protocols, How long do you do it for? How often do you do it? And there’s just a huge range of biological variation in people. So there’s no really fixed protocol and certainly there’s no protocol or pump for longevity. But you can see good results with, you know, a tennis elbow, you know, after a few days of treatment. So that’s we’re using it across the spectrum and at Core Naturopathy. Brett O’Brien, the natural pathway, who’s been using these protocols for over a decade. In the end, I guess he, like me, is just we just want to see results. And when you see the results, you bring it into your practice.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:31:22] And are we thinking that those results are largely due to a stimulation of or improvement of mitochondrial function?
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:31:33] It’s a stimulation of yeah, I would say so. Mitochondrial function but through the whole mazes. So it’s. It is a stress. PMF is a magnetic field stress to the body. So there’s would be a sweet spot for treatment. And that’s where all that research has a it’s not a one size fits all. It’s not easy to answer a straight question on what should I do? How long should I do it for?
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:32:03] Yeah.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:32:04] But it’s a there is a lot of, ah, of the science for the science shows that the magnetic fields do this, this and this on cells, you know, on osteoblasts, on fibroblasts, on my blast. It stimulates growth. It stimulates growth factors, things like that. Right. But in a person in the whole biological system, you never know exactly where the sweet spot is. But it is a it is automatic stress, which then stimulates metabolic pathways to up or down regulate oxidant defence mechanisms as is needed. And then the mitochondrial pathways stimulated. That is what helps to bring the additional healing.
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Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:34:29] So now I would think that of photo medicine, the light therapy, light in medicine and also being called photo by modulation. So how light changes biology. And I think now it’s moving towards photon bio modulation. So light photons. So this is a huge body of research now and I can’t really keep up, but people are studying all the different frequencies of light and colour. So the most research one is red light. So of course you’ll see people can buy their red light panels at home. You can go into like a full it’s like a sun tanning bed, except it’s not UV, It’s a whole it’s a red light bed. So if you put your entire body in this bed of red light and all these red light devices usually have red and infrared, and depending on how all the devices and depending on what their various targets are, they may have two or 4 to 4 chosen wavelengths in that light spectral frequency, in that red frequency. So everyone is trying right now. There’s everyone’s trying to find the best frequencies for a wide spectrum of things. So in the end is how targeted do you need it to be or how broad spectrum do you need it to be? And the best broad spectrum medicine is go out into the sun.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:36:02] Yes. How accessible is that how that’s been proven? That’s that’s been proven over 4.5 billion years.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:36:10] Yeah, yeah.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:36:12] Yeah. Big, big experiment there. And another another aspect of for me says and certainly in the clinic, there too is cold therapy. Tell us a little bit about that.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:36:23] A cold therapy eye problem. That’s the one I probably need to tell you least about because everybody knows about ice baths and feet coat the my genesis. And there’s just so much metabolic research now how getting cold is so good for you. Brown adipose tissue enhances mother Biogenesis, increases cooler fire and reduces reactive oxygen species. You know, increases vascularisation and like just lots of. Yeah. It’s on every podcast now doing coke. But in our patient population, we probably do have to be quite careful and go very low and slow. And for some people, cold is not. Yeah. We don’t just apply coal to everyone and everything. Although it is a very good thing to move towards and also depends where people’s mitochondria. Her heritage is wrong. Yeah. Though our mitochondria come from our mothers. Right. And depending on where we evolved, like my mitochondria will be. Will be different to yours, Ron.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:37:39] Yep. Yep.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:37:40] And how much I cold I can tolerate would be different to you depending on how couple that uncoupled we are because of our mitochondrial uncoupling proteins. Which means how much non shivering, thermogenesis and shivering thermogenesis we have. So depending on how much how cold adapted we are, we can lead up to trying to improve that non shivering thermogenesis, which is the whole idea of cold therapy. So we do have an ice bath at my core, but for my patient population, it’s it’s not the first thing everyone’s going to jump into, you know. But certainly for exercise, recovery, athletes, strong folks, that’s extremely good for them. And they really should should be doing that. And a very quick ballpark to aim towards is one minute per degree you’re in. So right. Five degrees water, you could work towards five minutes. That sounds a hell of a lot. But people should really work up very slowly to that.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:38:54] But I guess the most accessible is, of course, turn the cold tap on. You know, everyone’s got access to that. And it’s a kind of a very beginner’s way of doing that. What would be a sort of a if someone was doing that for a minute, 30s a minute, two minutes, what would someone getting started on this be thinking about?
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:39:19] I know that Marc Cohen has got his fantastic weather, that he loves poems.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:39:25] And yes, you put your left foot in, your right foot in your to the hokey pokey and you turn it all around. Yeah. Yes, I know. But yeah, I mean, I used to be very cold averse. I mean, to me, I would not go into the sea if it was under 20. If it was under 21. I was very reluctant to go in. And then I kind of surprised myself by doing ice baths for three minutes at a time at about five degrees. And I g I just I felt so good after it that it’s really changed my whole approach to cold. But most people are cold averse psychologically at least. But then, you know, entering into it has such benefits.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:40:11] And that is called psychophysical resilience. So when you are physically more able to handle a home attack, stress, which is cold, is psychologically it’s a huge boost. And so that is you said Avenue Sally was talking about just your attitude and being, you know, having that kind of mental attitude.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:40:36] Yes.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:40:37] But some people aren’t naturally there, so you have to train it. And you don’t necessarily have to train it by going to talk to a psychologist or doing positive affirmations or something. You can train your psychological positivity by getting your physical body a bit stronger. So when you put your physical body through a little bit of strain and stress, as we’re talking about promises, cold, get hungry fast a bit, get hot, you know, get uncomfortable just sprint 50m on your short walk, just all these little things to push yourself. That is how we get psychologically more resilient to. And then we’ll have that great attitude that avenues that Sally is talking about.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:41:26] Now, I would definitely agree that the cold has made a big difference to me and my whole mood. On a more broader basis here, because, you know, modern medicine has a very reductionist approach to to disease. You know, you’re depressed, have an antidepressant, you’re inflamed, have an anti-inflammatory infection, antibiotic, anti A.A., you know, and when you ask your doctor, why did I get bowel cancer? They will say it’s just bad luck. You know, genes is bad, but actually a different approach. Is this metabolic approach a more holistic approach? Is that it really isn’t. It is just to say, well, the way it manifests itself happens to be that way in you. But what we need to focus on is this. Is this the ultimate in holistic approach to health care?
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:42:20] So yeah, for sure. We like being proactive. And of course, if people want longevity and good health, they have to be proactive in the world today because we’re swimming upstream against the density of MF, the toxins in our food, the glyphosate, even in our organic food, all of that, right. And so when I educate on mitochondrial epigenetics, it covers all the normal epigenetic things, as I said, that we know about nutrient supply, avoiding toxins, detoxing your body, sleeping well and so on, it’s just really adding that extra oomph on using nature, using the biophysics of nature, which is what drives the evolution of life, which drives our whole biology. So it’s just adding a little bit to that whole story, as you said, being more proactive.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:43:21] But you as a doctor, you see this is what it also fascinates me is that so many doctors, unfortunately don’t practice medicine this way. They they actually practice it in a very prescription focussed way. And we’ve I’m just intrigued as to the effect this has on a doctor’s attitude to life, let alone their work. I mean, your approach to work is very empowering. I’ve always felt very exciting, very, you know, how do you see those differences? Because we’ve both been involved in the College of Nutrition and Environmental Medicine, and we think, why isn’t everybody doing this? Why isn’t everybody doing this, Christabelle, This form of medicine.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:44:09] So I think that, first of all, we weren’t taught the right information at the beginning. So that that is a huge reason for one of the big fallouts, because we’re not taught it at the beginning. And then we have to jump in to being a junior doctor. And then you’re so busy and then perhaps, you know, if you’re a woman, you’re going to have babies. And if you just got a huge training program to go through five, ten years and then suddenly you’ve got a lot of bills to pay and debt and debts and a family to feed, and then you just keep going on that job. So I think a lot of doctors don’t get a chance to step outside of what they were taught, which was incomplete. And then they’re just having to keep up. And they’re the ones that are having huge burnout. And not going so well. And when those those people are fortunate enough to have a bit of head space. Perhaps financial space or their eyes open because of a personal experience, which is usually the case or a family experience. Or curious enough that when a patient says, you know what, I did this and this happened, and then they go and investigate. So hopefully all those little strokes of fortune do occur and people look for more. And and as you and I have seen, as soon as practitioners like us look for more, then the door just opens to it’s so rewarding. You get the results you want for your patients. You learn the information you need for yourself. You put it all in place for your family. And then that’s we’re all here to live lives as fully as we can for ourselves and our communities. And that’s it. So once your own health is better and your family’s health is better, and then your professional practice is better. I mean, that seems to me a good antidote for burnout.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:46:22] Yes. And we’ve done we have done quite a few programs on burnout in medical practitioners. The rather sobering statistic is that 44% of medical practitioners and 60% of nurses suffer from burnout. That’s characterised by the acronym De disengaged, ineffective feeling, disengaged, feeling ineffective and feeling exhausted. And that’s from people that are delivering a health care system.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:46:51] And what I find sad is that it’s not because they’re not trying hard, hard enough, not because they don’t have. The right technologies and the right medicines is actually because they had they don’t have good power, energetics in their own cells and their own capacity to run as hard as they have to and deliver as much as they, you know, as demanded of them. I think it’s just their own physical health or their own biophysical health. If if we all had much better physical and biophysical health, we would do a lot more.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:47:30] You know, I mean, yeah, this is what I think is possibly the key to public improving public health, and that is improving practitioner health.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:47:41] Yeah, yeah, yeah. And sometimes it’s really very challenging because of the environments people are working in. Look at a surgeon and I think it’s on nurses that all working in artificial light indoors, no natural light. And I think of light as nutrition. You know, junk light is junk food. So we all we all know we can’t exist on junk food. And now when we’ve got so many biophysical challenges with emphysema and so on, all the more we need good light as strong nutrition, like get rid of your junk a lot.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:48:21] Well, if you were going to leave us our listener with, you know, 2 or 3 pills of, you know, this sounds I need more energy. I just need to embrace this approach to the biophysics, to the whole mazes, to my mitochondria. What would what would be your 2 or 3 top tips for our listeners to leave us with?
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:48:43] I’ve said it already, and I’ll say it again because I’m just so surprised that how when people do this, things just change. Which is change your lighting indoors. And I mentioned about a well, not just the epigenetics of the mitochondria, but it’s our mitochondria, our transducer. So what that means is they’re feeling your environment. It’s such a felt sense. It’s not just what you’re thinking, it’s a feeling. So the felt sense, whether that’s neuro ception or interception, it’s a whole sensory experience. The mitochondria is interpreting all those signals and what I’ve found is that when people change a light, they just feel different. And so when they already feel different, then they’re like looking at the food. I feel like eating differently now. I feel like moving my body. It just seems to be one of those things that opens the door to other things. So just been really fascinated by seeing that in our patient community in the last couple of years. And because we’ve been running retreats for the last couple of years, then, you know, before days, we have people immersed in their right light environment or watching the sunrise. We’re eating, eating when the sun is up and we’re doing a lot of other activities, like going in a cold and grounding and so on. But the whole kind of mindset, mind frame of people shifts. And I think that sensory, the right sensory input just makes a much bigger difference than, let’s say, just swallowing something or thinking about something. It’s such a psychosomatic body that we are in. And I love this new field as well. Ron, this is a new one for you. Maybe you might know that’s really mitochondrial psychobiology.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:50:47] Go on. Love it. Go on, Go on. Going on mitochondrial Soko Biology. Now, I have heard of psycho immuno psycho neuro immunology. Psycho neuro immunology. But give it to me again. Give it to me again.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:51:06] So mitochondrial psycho biology.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:51:10] Mitochondrial psychobiology.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:51:12] Okay. It’s it’s mind my toe or my toe mind. So how your mitochondria changes your mind, makes your mind different, makes your psychology different. Of course it makes a biology different. My toes. Psycho biology. And the top lab that’s leading this is Martin Picard’s lab Lab. Martin Picard. And Martin Picard was Doug Wallace’s PhD student. So Doug Wallace is the mitochondrial grandfather? Yeah, He. He discovered that mitochondrial of maternal maternal inheritance in around 1980s. Yeah, well, yeah. And Doug Wallace and Martin Picard are still publishing a lot today about how mitochondria really are behind all of they call it common. Complex diseases is like the common, and maybe they shouldn’t be that complicated, but clearly medicine has and fixed anything. And we’re under this huge burden of common diseases like metabolic syndrome, diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, and so on. And so, in fact, they appear to be very complex because we haven’t fixed anything, have we? And so that mitochondria are behind all of these common complex diseases. Dementia, you know, all of those things. So mitochondrial psychobiology and I dare say if we could get bio energetics right, that would. What can I say? It would look after all of us.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:52:52] Well, Christabelle, I want to thank you for joining us today, not just for joining us today, but for shining a light on on us and and and all the stuff that you do in the profession in training and teaching, which you’ve done for many, many years. And you’re setting the bar very high for what a medical practice can, could and should look like. So thank you so much for everything in joining us today.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:53:17] Thank you, Ron. It’s my pleasure.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:53:19] Well, as I mentioned, I also had the opportunity. I do think that Chris Bell’s practice sets the bar very high for how medicine could and I believe should be practised in Australia and certainly globally, a focus on health, a focus on adaptive medicine, a focus on restoring optimal function to fight the causes of disease, rather than just fill out prescription pads to manage it. So I went on a tour of crystal Bowls practice, a part of the practice which she collaborates with. Naturopaths that I have talk spoken to. Natural Press. Brett O’Brien was on the podcast in the last week or so, and they have a practice called Mitford Core, which they collaborate with together here in Sydney. And I went on a tour and I hope you enjoy this tour, which gives you a little bit of an insight into some of the ways of tapping into mitochondrial function therapeutically. Firstly, Kristen Bell, Tell me my toe core. What, what I mean, we’re going to talk about that, but this is what have we got here?
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:54:36] Well, first my tackles, my toe of course, mitochondria and call us because this is a project that has been envisioned and visioned with a couple of collaborators, Brett O’Brien and Darren Sasso, who are from core Naturopathic and Wollongong, their natural parts that have been doing this for some time. And I’ve been talking to them about this and they they do a very natural public approach of wellness, you know, in foundational health, and so do I from a mitochondrial perspective. And I could just see how it went perfectly together. So what we have here is a suite of devices for, you know, I like to say it’s for mitochondrial health, ultimately is for cellular health. Whatever condition one has, it’s not to treat the disease, but it’s improve health from the foundations of the cell up.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:55:31] Yep.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:55:31] And from you know, of course, it’s nutrition, diet, lifestyle. And a lot of people are, you know, coming to party with that and doing good efforts at that. But we also see a lot of people, not just in the chronic disease community, but a lot of people somehow struggle to get through to that next level of super performance or even Apple having a bit of performance. And I think that’s really because in the modern world today and the way we live our lives and all of the things that we’re exposed to, which are stresses in our body body, particularly EMR, EMF and bad light artificial lighting. So we all have a degree of this kind of biophysics mismatch in our mitochondria. So the suite of devices are very much biophysics in thinking and how I like to do things, but also just bringing together some other aspects of what the mitochondria want to do. They want a little bit of home attack stress and then they want to adapt and get stronger. So that might be cold, that’s hot, that’s been a fasting. So all the exercise.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:56:46] Exercises a homedics.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:56:47] Somatic stress. Yeah. And then hypoxia is a homedics stress. Right. And hypoxia is as well. So hyperbaric oxygen, hypoxia, which.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:56:58] Is what we’re standing.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:56:59] In, which is what this device is, is the oxy remote.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:57:04] But I think most a lot of conditions are now being viewed as a metabolic condition, cancer, heart disease, you know, everything. And that is about mitochondrial function.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:57:14] It is, yes. It is about mitochondrial health and its capacity to adapt to the environment because we are adaptive beings. And it’s all all those signals are being transduced through the mitochondria, which is the topic of my talk at.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:57:32] Three.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:57:33] Weeks time.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:57:33] Okay, well, I’ll be in.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:57:35] A sneak peak.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:57:36] Yes, I am. But listen, just walk us through some of these devices very quickly just to give us an overview, because I know we’re going to be talking about them more through, you know, go into a bit more detail about them. But what we’re standing here. Okay.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:57:48] So hyperbaric oxygen and I think everybody knows what.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:57:52] Well, I don’t think everybody does know. I don’t I think we should assume that hyperbaric oxygen.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:57:58] So this is a hard shell chamber that will slowly pressurise the air in the chamber to two atmospheres. So that’s like you you are diving deep, deep, deep, deep, deep. And you have to keep equalising as you go down. And this will can bring us up to. Atmospheres, which means is increasing a lot of oxygen going into the body. And it’s not as simple as just, more oxygen is better because we all know oxygen is a double edged sword. It’s oxidative. But again, I mentioned about how both hypoxia and hypoxia are homedics stresses. So when you stress the body and you’re changing its environmental kind of signals, then the the redox system, the renal metabolism and all its systems of up regulating and down regulating will will change accordingly to deal with that environment.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:58:57] So the hyperbaric. A hyperbaric, hyperbaric, hyperbaric. So increasing the oxygen saturation. Yes. You know, hypo baric. How do we do that?
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:59:08] There’s no hypo back here, but there’s intermittent hypoxic training following.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:59:12] The.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [00:59:12] Attack. So that that is with an IHT device. Some people now call it h h t because the newer devices have hypoxia as well as high power oxygen. And that’s this machine here, which I didn’t prepare for you earlier. That’s right. So this is the Roxy I h h t. So it delivers hypoxia, which is reducing the oxygen that you inhale through a very tight mask. And that no oxygen that we breathe is 21%, and it reduces it to 12, 13%. And then it’s monitoring you on a sex machine to know how much you have d saturated with is giving you such little oxygen.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:00:01] So this is a pulse oximeter, which is pretty common. Yeah. And I know if we ever see a pulse oximeter go below 92, we would normally be concerned about that. But how low does this go when we do?
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:00:16] About 80, 81.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:00:18] Okay. And this is an intentional metric.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:00:20] Stress is an intentional pulse monitored with biofeedback, automatic stress to reduce the amount of oxygen you breathe. It’s the same idea as all the athletes who do altitude training running in the mountains and less oxygen because your body’s got multiple systems to upregulate its ability to deliver oxygen, improving the the baka the affinity to oxygen, delivering it to tissues and so on. So if you give it the signal that we don’t have a lot of oxygen around, it’s going to upregulate it to be able to cope with that.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:00:56] How long are we on this?
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:00:58] So this is a training device which is literally training. Like if you exercise and you expect to go stronger, you can’t do it in 2 or 3 sessions. So these training devices, usually people do 20, 30 sessions over a period of time gradually, and then usually you’ll see a decent result even within a few sessions of training. And one is already metabolically quite fit.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:01:22] For how long? Each session.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:01:24] Each session is 30 to 45 minutes.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:01:27] And it’s the same with the hyperbaric.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:01:28] Hyperbaric is often an hour.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:01:31] Right? Cool. Yeah. Yeah.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:01:33] So this is your hypoxia and hypoxia?
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:01:37] Yep. Okay.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:01:40] So the next one is magnetic field stress, also known as p e f pulse electromagnetic fields. So we have two PMF devices here. This one is called a Hugo Pense, which is a very high intensity magnetic field that is generated in coils. Here, this is like a a scent. They call it a sun, which this is this particular brand has got this. Most other brands don’t have the sun, which which just means you can lie on the on the bed and have one coil on top of you, one coil below you, and then that is generating a magnetic field. So magnetic field, that’s magnetism. Magnetism is what the earth has is what gravity is. It’s the thing that an astronaut would lose if they travel to space, and that would be the reason they develop osteoporosis. So this sort of technology has been around actually for a long time, even not necessarily known to medical. But, for example, Nauka did a lot of work on this because they needed to address the osteoporosis that astronauts would have living and having a loss of a magnetic field. So a magnetic field generates a force which our body ourselves respond to. And that’s why exercise and all this vertical axis activity is important. Weight bearing activity is important for the axial load of the bones. Of the spine. And that’s really what, you know, we need to do to have strong bones. This is like a basically a version of a therapeutic magnetic field device. And it can be applied to joints. It can be applied to areas of the body, which is how a lot of musculoskeletal practitioners, especially chiropractors, have known about all of this for decades. And that’s how a lot of chiropractors will use these devices because they’ll come as other pads or rings that you can put on joint bases and very good for putting literally energy into tissue compartments that need the energy or need the help.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:04:00] We were talking about cellular energy as a current. So body is a battery charge. Yeah. And and is this part of that addressing that?
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:04:09] This is part of that. So this is like you charge up the cell sort of but literally it is like that. Like you charge up your mobile phone when your battery goes flat. So this this PMF is a charge and it can be applied to particular parts of the body.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:04:27] Because ideally, our cellular charge should be.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:04:31] Negative.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:04:32] Negative. I think we had Professor a victim, Marcel Vega, talking about -70. MilliVolts.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:04:41] MilliVolts, yes.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:04:42] MilliVolts minus.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:04:44] Seven. How healing is voltage. Right. And that that describes it all very well.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:04:50] And when that charge alters, we start to see problems.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:04:54] It’s it’s when the charge alters. It’s also when the cell can’t hold the charge. And and this is ultimately coming down to what we call the biophysics of health. So it’s not just about biochemical molecules and what we eat and vitamins and minerals. It’s really about the biophysical properties that they carry. So lights sound magnetic fields and frequencies which are biophysical forces. I wish I was much better at physics when I was back in school, but that.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:05:30] But when we studied biochemistry in medical dental school, we studied the electron transport chain as a way of producing ATP. We didn’t we didn’t study the carbohydrate or the protein or the fat transport chain, although we did learn what happened to those. But ultimately it’s electron transport that gives us energy.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:05:51] Yes. And why does the electron transport work? That’s because the mitochondria is separating charge. So, you know, your your classic old batteries full of water, water separates charge and then the battery works positive, negative charge separation. So the mitochondria function is to separate charge. It puts the high protons there and the electrons, then it separates the charge. And that’s only when the protons move through the atpase to then spin ATP and drive electrons through the transport chain. That’s and what a biophysical force of energy then creates a biochemical ATP.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:06:34] Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. I thought I used to think sleep and breathe were foundational, but now realise physics is.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:06:41] It is, yes. That’s, that’s how I see the world to run. So.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:06:47] Okay. So ten.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:06:48] Yeah, that’s ten. And then we have a second here. This is another type of pens that have got the coils in the mat and we can also have pads for joint areas if we have a joint problem, which. Yeah, but what’s special about this pants is it’s a Swiss device called the Embrace. It’s also a brain retraining system. So the brain retraining system is much more about neuro regulation. So the pump is going in the background. And actually this might also have infrared. So nowadays all these devices like to be sucked. So we got pumps, we’ve got infrared, and then we’ve got a brain retraining system which is using light through the eyes with a with goggles sound. So we have fatigue stimulation. We have auditory stimulation with by neural frequencies and specially programmed light frequencies. And then it’s monitoring your heart rate variability.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:07:58] Interesting.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:07:59] So what we’re getting a reading is how well your on Anomic response is going to the therapy. And we can choose a number of different programs. But ultimately, is neuro regulation more on that sympathetic parasympathetic on? Response. We’re trying to effect a change there. But it’s also got pimp and infrared.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:08:22] And when we talk about heart rate variability, the higher the variability, the more responsive your system is to stress.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:08:31] To be able to adapt.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:08:32] Yes. So if you had 60 beats a minute and every beat was a second, that would be a low heart rate variability. But if it varied by milliseconds, either side of one, it would be a better result. Yeah. Yeah. Cool.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:08:47] That’s right. So that’s that’s the next thing is part of the whole circuit of treatment is the whole cat. So this is the whole cat, which is a ozone stain. So on our machine. And this is a seriously stacked machine.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:09:04] Yeah.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:09:05] So this is really fun. So it’s. It’s steam to get you really hot. These sit in the chamber. And then. And then ozone gas blows in. And so the person is sitting here with their head hanging out, but. But it’s sealed around the neck. Because one thing you don’t do with ozone is inhale it. So they’re sealed there, and then the body’s be heated up. And then we’re monitoring the heart rate again. And then we also measure the air temperature as we go through the therapy because it is a hypothermia stress.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:09:49] Hypothermia.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:09:50] So, like very naturopathy thinking it’s a fever therapy. Yeah. And usually people people do get a slight fever from this. They may go from 36 to 37.8. Some people even go to 38.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:10:08] Because we tend to demonise that fever. But the body has a fever for a reason.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:10:14] Yes. So once you have a fever and the temperature goes up, you start to do a lot of autophagy. You start to eat up, you know, dead proteins, misfolded proteins, dead cells, and you’re basically clearing up the rubbish. So autophagy is really important. So this device is a sauna, a sweat of sweat with the detox and then the fever treatment. And inside there’s also light. So that’s for the bio modulation going on in there at the same time. And then the final thing is frequency specific microcurrent as well. So Microcurrent is a different.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:10:53] Because I noticed this chart here with. Yes, various.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:10:57] Yes. So frequency specific microcurrent that’s slightly akin to RIF and and Raman, RIF and a whole host of people who then started to develop databases of microcurrent frequencies, understanding that pathogens, many things in biology, systems, disease states, people who have having different like microcurrent readings. And this is definitely not an accepted thing in conventional medicine, but some interesting results. So people hold people hold the conducting rods while they’re in the sauna and they’ve got microcurrent going through this. Stimulate a particular signal that you want to stimulate. And then they’re also breathing oxygen whilst they’re in here. So, Ron, you are about to try this and you can give us your verdict.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:11:58] Okay? No, no, I’ll give you feedback on that. We’re going to be reviewing all of this. All right. So.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:12:04] Okay, next thing. Next thing is this G-force hyper vibe machine. This is much. This is like a simple, very simple gym device. Everybody’s probably seen it at the gym. I’ll see if I know how to turn it on. And basically, it’s just vibration.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:12:25] It’s.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:12:26] It’s simply vibration. And this is much more of a mechanical. So, so far we’ve been talking very much about biophysical in terms of movement, magnetic fields in movement. And this one is just physical, so nothing too special. But we always love to move the lymph, you know.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:12:48] Because actually rebounders were very much about. And lymphatic lymphatic drainage, weren’t they? Yes, exactly. And actually, I believe with kids, very good way of stimulating parasympathetic activity. Yeah. Putting one. There we go.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:13:02] Yeah. So look, this just. And then we can make it go a bit higher. And it’s literally just.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:13:09] How long would. Would we be on something like this?
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:13:11] We do this for ten minutes before we go in the whole cat.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:13:15] And how long are we in the whole cat for?
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:13:16] Half an hour.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:13:17] Half an hour. Okay. All right. Wow. Okay.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:13:21] Cool. Okay. So that is the stack that we like to go through. And then in addition, for some people who want to do it and are strong enough to do it, because if we have a chronic fatigue patient, we will alter the stack accordingly. So we have an ice bath?
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:13:38] Yes. Cold.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:13:40] We know you’re very good at that one, Ron. Yeah. You’re much better than I am.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:13:44] Well, I’ve got it. I’ve got what’s called the doc at home, and that’s referring not to the owner, but more the of the dopamine that is said to be got from the cold thermogenesis. What temperature do you normally put in? Would you have that water?
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:14:00] Right. So for someone who is not already seriously cold adapted, we might just keep it at 12. 12 I mean, 15. That’s really difficult for a lot people. But a very good cold thermogenesis protocol to slowly adapt to would be one minute pedigree. So you’ve got a ten degree bath at home run. You should be doing ten minutes. Yeah.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:14:24] Okay. Okay. Well, I’ll do it at eight degrees.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:14:27] So eight minutes.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:14:28] I do that a little six minutes. I do it at six minutes, but I’ll up it. But actually, after the first minute, it’s not as bad as you’re saying. But it’s true that any you know, my wife prefers a to 12 because she’s less adapted to that.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:14:41] So you go first. And by the time you know.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:14:43] I’ve actually had to turn it up a little bit, so I’m cheating. I’m using her as an excuse.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:14:49] And then we have of course, you can’t not have four divide modulation. So we have our great red light panel here.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:14:59] Yes.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:15:00] And and we chose this panel because we like the comfort of lying on a bed. Yes. Rather than in one of those segments in.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:15:12] Which a lot of these a lot of these devices are literally sandwiches of a panel above and a panel below. And you lie on the panel below. Yeah. And and yes, I can see that would be a lot more comfortable.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:15:23] Yeah. Yeah.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:15:25] And how long would we be on that.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:15:29] If anyone? If people got enough time? 30 minutes is a good time. Otherwise, I would do 20 minutes. Yeah.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:15:37] Yeah, yeah.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:15:38] Yeah.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:15:39] So bio photo modulation used to be called low energy laser therapy. Well, that was more specific. Yeah, you know, but this is a more whole body thing. That’s. That’s infrared.
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:15:52] Isn’t it? So that’s red and infrared.
Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:15:57] Red and infrared—okay, yes, alright
Dr Christabelle Yeoh [01:15:58] Okay. So that I’ve showed you is. I did. I’ll hold.
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