Dr Sarah Myhill: Turtles all the Way Down

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to unstressed. My name is Doctor Ron Ehrlich. Now, before I start, I would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land on which I’m recording this podcast. The Gadigal people of the Eora nation. And pay my respects to their elders. Past, present and emerging. Well, today I had the pleasure of welcoming back Doctor Sarah Myhill. Now Sarah is a doctor with our over 40 years of clinical experience. She’s also a naturopath. She’s written, seven books, co-authored three medical papers on chronic fatigue, my mild allergy encephalitis, chronic fatigue syndrome, actually, and mitochondrial dysfunction. Her latest book has gone through, well, the third edition of the book, Diagnosis and Treatment for Chronic fatigue syndrome, myalgic encephalitis and the addition of long Covid. Now, Sarah is one of the, the editors on the Ortho Molecular Medicine news service, which I have the pleasure of being or the honour actually, of being on myself. And I brought many of these wonderful practitioners on as guests on the podcast. And recently, Sarah wrote an article for the Ortho Molecular Medicine News Service called Vaccine Science and Myths. Now in Medicine, if you even question the science behind vaccines, the chances of you being struck off are very high. This is a sad reflection on modern medicine that it is on the practitioner questioning it. But that is simply the fact. And in this, episode, we discuss some of those issues. Look, I think Sarah’s, knowledge and passion and knowledge is encyclopaedic. Her passion is unquestioned. Her commitment to her patients and their health and well-being is is second to none. I hope you enjoy this conversation I have with Doctor Sarah myhill. Welcome to the show, Sarah.

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:02:18] Lovely to see you again, Ron.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:02:20] Yes. Well welcome back. We spoke with over a year ago, actually, before the pandemic, I think. And, that pandemic certainly taught us quite a few lessons. And they’re very relevant to what we’re talking about here today, because the subject is, vaccine science and myths. You wrote a wonderful article. You introduced me to a wonderful book, which we’ll be talking about. But I just wanted to lay the foundation here because I know that when my own daughters were born, you know, there was about 10 or 12 vaccinations in the first two years of life. I know in Australia, I think that’s up to about 27 now. But but there’s even more vaccinations as life goes on. What is the current state of affairs that you know of in the UK and in America?

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:03:06] Well, again, in America, it’s it depends which country. But in America, by the time children become teenagers, they can receive up to 70 vaccines, which is a, which is a lot. And in this country, it’s not dissimilar. So, it’s it’s something has to be taken very seriously. And we have to look at the real science to find out, you know, all these vaccines safe, and are they effective?

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:03:31] Yes. Well, the real science is the challenge, really, isn’t it? And in your article, you quoted a UK doctor, which was a little bit of a turning point for you, I think, over 20 years ago. Can you share that story with that? With us?

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:03:43] Absolutely, yes. I mean, I was completely conventionally trained and came out of medical school in in 1981 thinking about, you know, vaccines were essential vaccine and helpful and, and vaccines save lives. And of course, and throughout the 1980s as a, as an NHS, GP and of course, I was routinely recommending the standard vaccinations that everybody has. But there were two wake up. Well, well, several wake up calls for me. But one of the the big wakeup calls came from a friend of mine, a general practitioner called Doctor Jane Donigan, and she was approached by a mother, who didn’t want to vaccinate her two daughters. And Jane was happy to support her in that decision. But the father did. The father insisted that these children be vaccinated, and he. And this ended up in the High Court with a High Court hearing with Jane as the expert witness. Now to defend or to support her case, Jane went back to the original vaccine studies that looked at, the efficacy of vaccines and looked for their safety. And when she really looked at them in detail, not just by reading the summary, but by looking at the detail of the text. She found much to support her view that vaccines were not safe and they were not effective. Anyway, she defended the mother in the High Court and she won her case. Now, on the back of that, the father then reported her to the General Medical Council for medical misconduct. And she then had a hearing at the General Medical Council, where again she presented these vaccine papers, in great detail. She cross-examined the GMC expert witnesses, and she won her case. And what she demonstrated is that there was no evidence base to demonstrate that the vaccines were effective, and no evidence base to suggest that the vaccines were safe. And that was a big wake up call for me, because this was something I’d rather taken for granted as a part of my education. You know, we’ve been told this endlessly by the powers that be. And so then, you know, I had long conversations with Jane. Obviously, I attended her lectures, read her books, looked at the papers, and, and I came to the view that it’s not good enough just to say that vaccines are safe and effective. Every doctor, as an individual, has the evidence base that they have to go and look at that information and ask themselves that question. And I came to the view that vaccines were not safe and they were not effective. Now, of course, this was a major concern because, mums would come to me and say, well, won’t my child die if they get diphtheria? Won’t my child get serious side effects if they get measles? And and that was a worry to me as well until I, I, I did a natural training in 1994, and I was learning much from colleagues at the time. And then I woke up to the issue of natural immunity. Now, of course, humans have been subject to these diseases for hundreds of thousands of years. We’ve measles has been with us for hundreds of thousands of years. And what has allowed the human race to survive and to survive in a healthy state is natural immunity. You know, we have a fantastic immune system which is as complicated, as intelligent as our brains. In fact, I think of the immune system as a mobile brain almost. It’s throughout our body. It’s looking at these things like bacteria, viruses, yeast saying, you know, is this one safe? Can we ignore this one? Do we have to fight that one? It’s making very important decisions. And again, looking at the work of doctors like Fred Plana and Robert Cathcart, who demonstrated the efficacy of vitamin C in protecting us from these, illnesses and protecting us from complications. I realised that with good natural immunity, it renders the vaccine issue almost irrelevant, because with good natural immunity, our bodies can do it. So our job as physicians is to give our patients, as I call it, the rules of the game and the tools of the trade. So they have good natural immunity. We advise about diet, about, good quality sleep and keeping warm, about nutritional supplements, about how helpful vitamin D and vitamin C, for example, are in protecting us from these infections. And the reason why this is so important is because this is what we do when we are faced with a new disease. And guess what? In in 1919, in a big but in 2019, 2020, we were faced with a new disease. And that new disease was called Covid 19. Now the doctors who knew this stuff, the doctors who are practising naturopathic medicine. Who understood the importance of natural immunity of, you know, a vitamin C, a vitamin D of minerals, a selenium of zinc, you know, all these essential micronutrients that are present in a good done knowing that they could use these tools to fight Covid 19. And many doctors did precisely this. And what we hear from those doctors is that the death rates from Covid 19 was effectively zero in those people who had been correctly treated with nutritional supplements. The complications from Covid 19 were effectively zero in those people who had good natural immunity. And that, of course, negated the need or any need whatsoever for, Covid vaccinations. Yeah. The important point to remember about this is that the only way that the Covid 19 vaccine could be rolled out, is it the powers that be accepted that this was the only possible treatment? There was no other possible treatment for Covid 19. And so all the doctors like myself, like Jane Donigan, like Pete McCulloch, like Test Laurie, all these doctors who were using nutritional supplements very effectively, to prevent and treat Covid 19, they found themselves being rubbished. They found themselves being denigrated by Big Pharma and the powers that be, because unless they that happened, the vaccine rollout would not have been possible.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:10:03] Yes.

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:10:03] So it was a very pernicious situation.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:10:06] Yeah. Well, you know, people say all the mRNA technology has been around for 20 years. It’s not that new. You know, we we really could just go on and use that. But the point about that is, yes, it has been around for 20 years, but it hasn’t been used in humans, probably for very good reason. And as you point out, the emergency use authorisation absolved the manufacturer of any liability and allowed this new experimental technology to be rolled out. Now, I think a lot of people still, think it’s the most wonderful thing that’s ever happened in medicine. But a growing number of people have been alerted to the fact that maybe not all is well in the world of health care. I think practitioners like us who have been involved in nutritional, environmental medicine have been aware that there are other ways of approaching this, but I think there’s a growing body of people that are starting to say, hey, maybe there’s more to this than just being a nutter and being an anti-vaxxer, and how can you even say that? It’s a real wake. It’s a real wake up call.

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:11:20] I think you’re right there. And in fact, those numbers are not as small as the powers that be would have us believe. So in this country, the population is about 60, 64, 65 million. And at the at the very beginning, 19 million people said not having a vaccine. So 19 million people didn’t even have a first vaccine. So there is a large body that’s almost a third of the population said, no way. Jose. Yes. And and then some people had more, but the more vaccines people had, of course, the more side effects we saw. And now I don’t think there is a single person in this country who doesn’t know somebody personally that hasn’t been damaged by that vaccine. And, Peter McCulloch recently published a study, looking at the excess deaths, across the world that have occurred since the Covid vaccine, since the Covid pandemic. Now, normally after pandemic, you’d expect more people to die. And therefore, in subsequent years, less people died because those that were going to a dead already. But that’s not been the case. We have seen 3 million excess deaths throughout the world. Since the Covid, pandemic, you know, really ceased killing people in any numbers. And it is biologically plausible that those excess deaths could well be driven by vaccines. Now, the study he published looked at people, looked at deaths, and they looked at their vaccination history. And 70, nearly 74, 73.9% of people who died had, could this could be attributed to a vaccine. The average length of time between the vaccine and dying was two weeks, and most people died within a week of receiving a vaccine. So this is it is a horrifying, terrifying, statistic. The paper has been looked at. It’s been peer reviewed. It’s been published in The Lancet. So it is there for everybody to see. And anybody who has any concerns about vaccines, I do recommend you go and look at that paper and read the data for yourself. Don’t believe what’s told to you by a third party. Go and look at the original data. That’s the only way to be really certain of what is going on.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:13:40] Yes. It’s just it’s quite staggering. I know in Australia the number of deaths every year. We have a population of 27 million, the number 25.6 million. Sorry. And the number of deaths usually are around 155 to 165,000 a year. And I know that number went up to 190,000 and was up for a year or two. I think less people are now having boosters, although although I must say, I mean, I have certain friends who, without any hint of irony before they travel overseas, had a booster, came back and got Covid, and so, so it didn’t protect them and, they’re already lining up for another booster, and their doctor has said to them, isn’t it lucky you had a booster? Because if you didn’t have a booster, you’d die. And yet I do think the the science is telling us that with the booster, you are more susceptible to contracting Covid. So it’s a perfect business model, really, isn’t it?

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:14:42] Absolutely, absolutely. And whenever a doctor says something like that to always say, can you show me the evidence based on that? Yes. Don’t just accept what they say. You know, without questioning. And, you know, one thing is that, you know, my patients, quite rightly, always ask me, you know, what’s the evidence base for saying this, that or the other? And you must always be in a position to be able to provide that. And these doctors simply aren’t there simply following the government narrative. But there’s another problem here, which is that doctors in this country are regulated by the General Medical Council and the General Medical Council have just accepted the official narrative unthinkingly. And any doctor who speaks outside that gets reported to the General Medical Council as we speak. Now, I have another investigation for the general meant from the Medical General Medical Council for my advocacy. Of ivermectin. Yes. So my advocacy of vitamin D, so my advocacy of vitamin C for ideas and antiseptic, these are all, you know, simple, safe tools of proven efficacy. Now, it doesn’t matter if I get investigated by the General Medical Council because I’m old. I’m at the end of my career. If I get struck off, it doesn’t matter. I can still earn a living as a natural ethic physician. But for a young doctor, this is the end of their medical career. If they get investigated by the General Medical Council, they become unemployable. In within the NHS. So they lose their security, their finance, their job, their families, everything, and even the GMC itself. This big article in the, press recently has admitted that, it is these are what they describe as weaponized referrals to GMC. It’s a way of controlling doctors. It’s a way of stopping doctors from thinking outside the box, because if they do that, then they risk being sanctioned by the powers that be and losing their job and the incumbent all else. So many of the docs are just putting them out, keeping quiet, not speaking out against the narrative and and just looking after their, their own and looking after their jobs.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:16:49] Yeah, I know there was a, there was in Australia, a very highly regarded, professor actually, who has a private practice in Sydney who, in February or March of the beginning of the pandemic. I think that was 2020. Yes. So it came out in November, December 2019. By February or March, he already had a protocol in place which involved ivermectin deoxy cycling, vitamin C, which is a very cheap antibiotic. Ivermectin is a very cheap, medication. Right. And vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc and magnesium and had fantastic success rate. But he would not talk about. I invited him on to the podcast, not going to mention his name now. But but he would not come on to the podcast to talk about it for fear of retribution. And I always use it as a sort of a word association with people. I go, listen, let me tell you on, let me ask you this. If you if I say the word ivermectin word association. Now what is the first thing that comes to your mind. Oh, that Hosty wormer. Oh yeah, that’s almost a worm. Of course we know that. So the narrative was so powerful, that it ignored the fact that I’ve met and actually won a Nobel Prize in medicine in 2015 for human health, and has been used off label for many viral conditions.

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:18:16] Correct. It’s a very useful drug. And I understand that some doctor even using it to treat cancer. So it’s it’s a fast it’s a very interesting molecule. It has many, powerful effects and, and. Be, you know. Readily available to all.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:18:33] There is one problem with that, though, Sarah. And that is that. Well, two problems really. One, it is cheap. I think a five day course is about $10. And two, it’s effective.

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:18:47] Correct.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:18:47] So there are two things that don’t fit the model very well, unfortunately.

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:18:52] Correct. And remember that Big Pharma thrives on sick patients. That the big farmers mantra is a patient cured. Is a customer lost? So if you want to make lots of money, you need lots of sick patients. And, and therefore, you can peddle your drugs.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:19:10] Now, listen, you wrote this article, and it, as I said, alerted me to this wonderful book called Turtles All the Way Down. Yeah, it’s a very interesting title. I’ll let you share with our listener what why they call it that. But tell us a little bit about the book and not only who wrote it, but. Well, just tell us about the name and who wrote it and why.

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:19:30] Okay. Well, this is written by a group of Israeli doctors. And it first came out in 2019, in Hebrew. And they wrote this book anonymously. They didn’t dare put their name to it because, they feared sanction. And in fact, it was it was, it was pulled together by Mary Holland of the Children’s Health Defence League. And they went through the, the science of of vaccines and pulled out the relevant studies. Now, the reason they called the book Turtles All the Way Down is based on a story. And I did think I can do better than read it out to you.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:20:07] Absolutely. Go on, go on. It’s a great story.

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:20:09] Because it’s a great story. And this is, this comes from the 19th century. So it’s a couple of hundred years old. And, there was a it was a lecture that was made by a famous scientist on, cosmology and structure of the solar system, where he explained how, the sun was in the middle of our solar system and the, planets orbiting around the sun. Your beautiful theory about the Earth being round and rotating around the sun is very interesting. Young man, unfortunately, is also very wrong. I have a better theory, the woman told him. And what would that theory be? The scientist responded. Well, what you call planet Earth is not round at all. Actually, it is a kind of large flat disc that rests on the shoulders of four giant elephants. Oh, and what did those four giant elephant stand on? The scientists inquired. They stand on the back of a giant turtle, the elderly woman answered. And what does that turtle stand on? The second, the scientists ask with an inquisitive grin, on another bigger turtle. And what does that second turtle stand on? Oh well, my dear man, the elderly woman said with a victorious smile. It’s turtles all the way down right now, the elderly woman read Big Pharma. Because this explains how they how vaccine studies have been set up, because when a vaccine is trialled, you would think it would be tested against the placebo. You know, a salt pill in a water, a sugar water injection or a salt injection. But that study has never been done. Vaccines are always tested and the control group is another vaccine. Now the other vaccine is assumed to be safe, but that other vaccine has always been tested against another vaccine and so on. I.e. it’s turtles all the way down. So we have never had a proper placebo controlled, double blind trial into vaccines that demonstrate that they are safe. And the reason that’s not being done is because no, no pharmaceutical company is going to embark on a study where they know that the result is not going to work, where they know it’s going to be a bad outcome. Now, it just so happens that there have been a few, by pure chance, studies where vaccines have been properly tested against the placebo. And the one I often, quote is the Guinea Bissau experiment. This was in West Africa, where there was a window of time when the, the aid agencies had lots of money. And so they went into the country and they vaccinated all the children. And then there was a window of time where the money ran out. There were no finance available, the vaccine. So they then had a window where there were no children that were vaccinated. And then they thought to myself, well, this is a natural experiment. It’s happened by pure chance. Let’s go and see what happened to those children. And what they found is that the vaccinated children, the death rates amongst them, was five times higher than those children who had not been vaccinated. I mean, in America, there’s, there’s another one, for example, which is just the the army’s tribe. Now, these are, a group of people, many thousands of them, who have opted to live the simple life. So they issue, modern technology. They live very simple lives in simple communities, and they are not vaccinated. The autism rates in the Amish tribe, the Amish people, is virtually zero. They have no autism. And, you know, we have to ask the question why? The big difference is those children are not vaccinated. So those are the kind of the two natural experiments that occur. Those are the outcomes when, we use proper, trials when we’re comparing vaccines with placebo. So the point is, so that’s what you have to look at. And the other, bit of epidemiology that the vaccinators always use to justify their vaccines is to look at the overall rates of infectious diseases, and they pick out a graph and they say, look in it. This is where at how infectious diseases were. This is after vaccination. And we can see how they have fallen. But they were looking at a graph which was already falling. Now what has prevented infectious serious infectious disease and death from in the Western world is good hygiene. You know, nourishing food, clean water, effective disposal, sewerage. I mean, in the, in the 19th century, you know, there were no good sewage systems, you know, human, faeces and urine was just thrown out onto the streets. They weren’t composted. They weren’t taken away. They contaminated the water. The food. And the death rate for infectious diseases in children was extremely high. As soon as we bought in good engineering systems with clean water, good sewage system, better food supply, well nourished children, the the incidence of death from infectious disease. Just fell precipitously. It fell exponentially throughout the 20th century, and by the 1950s, in the 1960s was extremely low and very stable. And that’s when vaccines were brought in and it hardly changed the death rate at all. So vaccines came in on the back of good hygienic principles. And that’s all about natural immunity, because to keep somebody, well, yes, we need a good immune system. But on top of that, what determines the severity of an infection is the infectious load. So if you know, if I had a completely healthy person, if I gave them a big enough dose of meningococcal bacteria, then they would get meningitis. The fact the actual total load, the total exposure is also critical factor. But just to say by having clean food, clean water, getting rid of sewage efficiently, we massively reduce the infectious load on those children and therefore their immune systems were able to cope when they did, pick up measles or measles or chickenpox or whatever or whatever. And there’s another very important fact here that again, everybody overlooks, which is the the importance of children getting a federal disease. So it is important for children to get infections and to run a fever. It’s important for children to have a relatively benign virus like German measles. Like measles, you know, like mumps, okay. They’re nasty viruses. You know, the child is sick for a few days and then they get better. But that business of getting sick of running a fever is essential programming for the immune system. And there’s some wonderful studies showing that children who get acute febrile diseases and run a fever at some stage in their childhood are protected later on in life from dementia, from heart disease and from cancer. And again, this makes perfect evolutionary sense. Whenever I have a difficult question, I always go back to evolutionary biology. You know, how did we cope with this in the in the distant past when we didn’t have antibiotics, we didn’t have this. And the answer is we cope with it because we were we were fundamentally healthy with, you know, lovely, good clean air, clean water, clean food, physical activity, lots of sunshine. That’s what protects us from disease. So, and children were meant to run a fever when they were, young. We were meant to have a very diverse microbiome, because the microbiome helps to train our immune system so that it functions efficiently. Now, you know, we live in the modern world. And, you know, obviously, I don’t want everybody to be running around in a rabbit skin loincloth, you know, with no central heating in the winter and no security of food. And so to live well in the modern world, we have to get the best of the of both worlds. We have to get the best of modern life, which is food security, which is, security from being, you know, invaded by other tribes, which is a nice warm house, which is a happy environment to live in. But we also need the best of the primitive world and the best, the primitive world is all about good, clean air. Good clean food, sunshine, exercise, living in tribal communities, being happy, quality sleep and so on, so forth. And part of that is also running a febrile illness as a child that is part of our immune program.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:29:10] What now? Having a few grandchildren that come back from child care with lots of infections in that. What is that? What’s the protocol when a child or an adult for that matter? But let’s start with the young child, has a fever. I mean, how worried should when should we start to be worried?

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:29:31] Well, again with, with, you know, with good immunity, you that charge should be able to throw off that fever within a few days. And to help that child throw off that fever. We need good old fashioned nursing care, so let them rest, keep them warm, give them lots of vitamin C, lots of vitamin D, I recommend children should have at least 3 or 4000 international units of vitamin D in Australia. Don’t have to worry about that because you got lots of sunshine.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:30:02] Oh, no. No, we have sunshine. We have a problem. We have a real problem. You know, it’s a whole slip, slop, slap campaign. And I will see lot of thankfully my own grandchildren out there. I’m doing that. But I will go down to the beach and see them completely covered from head to toe and zinc cream all over their face, so that, God forbid, they should be exposed to any sunshine. Yet apparently these little devices they were allowed to carry around with them on, put in their laps to their head, sit in front of no problem at all. So now we do have a problem. We do have a problem.

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:30:34] Yeah, well, well, sunshine obviously is the best and a source of sunshine. And, you know, I mean, when I was a child, you know, the, the worth of your holiday was just by how sometimes you were when you got back to school and your children were, you say, we want to be as brown as berries. That was the saying, because that means they’ve had lots of sunshine, they’ve got lots of vitamin D, and they’re fundamentally healthy. There’s another very, very useful tool for, reduce the infectious load. As I say, there are two factors that determine the severity of infection. One is natural immunity. And that’s all about healthy diets. Vitamin D from sunshine, vitamin C, maybe extra vitamin C. And the second is to reduce the total infectious load now. The the most useful tool I have for that is iodine. Now, iodine is a is a standard natural plastic tool. It’s an it’s a completely natural substance. Of course it’s an element. But I mean, contact kills all microbes and it is extremely safe for humans. In the 18th century. Gram doses were being given to, treat a whole range of conditions. And, this is an intervention that I very much like. For any child who has an acute infection. So this is a salt pipe, which is just a plastic tube, the whole bottle, and it’s full of sea salt. It was developed by a Polish doctor to treat respiratory conditions. And then I supercharge it with glucose. Iodine. Lucozade is extremely cheap. And what you do is you put a couple of drops like that in the mouthpiece. Oops. That is, it looks like my bottle is just run out. That’s lucky for you. But then you sniff that. Put it to the Charles nostril. If their child is to too young to sniff it, then smear some iodine on their nostril. Now. Iodine is volatile. You can smell it. It smells a little bit like a swimming pool smell. And, it contact kills all microbes, and that massively reduces the loading dose. So any microbes, any yeast, any bacteria and viruses that may be in the airways, in the sinuses, in the nose, in the larynx, the throat will then get a dose of iodine. And that reduces the infectious load. It doesn’t reduce it to zero. So the immune system still gets a healthy programming from that virus and learns to deal with it. But the the viral load is massively reduced. Now to illustrate that point, I now have five patients with bronchiectasis. Now, as you know, bronchiectasis is a chronic lung infection. And people spend their lives, going for one infection. They have some antibiotics, they get a bit better. They’re okay for a little while. Then they get another infection, flares up again, and they end up with a multi resistant Staphylococcus aureus. And that’s obviously very serious when that happens. But by dint of putting in place all these interventions help natural immunity, vitamin C, vitamin D, healthy low carbohydrate diet and so on and sniffing iodine regularly, the need for antibiotics has dropped to zero. Why? Because the iodine is massively reducing. The infectious load in their lungs is keeping those microbes at bay. One of these patients includes an NHS general practitioner who’s been marvellously well since doing this. She attends the Brompton Hospital very regularly because she feels she ought to. And at one stage they saw some calcification in the upper lung which might suggest tuberculosis. But they said, because you are so, well clinically, you know, because you are living life at a high level, not needing, not having any lung symptoms, we can let you get on with it. You carry on with what you’re doing because it’s obviously effective. It’s obviously working. So it’s such a simple treatment. It’s so cheap. It’s available to everybody. And again, another friend of mine’s a GP up in the north and his children full follow the benefits of the salt piped with iodine. And when they come in from school with a, with a sniffle or a cold that they just help themselves to it. You know, they don’t they don’t have to be persuaded to do it. They know that by dint of sniffing iodine, they will stop that cold in its tracks. They will stop it going on onto their chest and developing a chest infection. And they will be well. And this is one of the most effective tools that I used to treat anybody who had Covid. In fact, I’ll just tell you a funny story. Year ago, I was doing, a consultation with one of my patients and was telling her about that, and she’s all that so interesting, she said, because my great great uncle was a doctor in South Africa at the time of the influenza epidemic, the 1919 to, 1920 influenza epidemic, which was estimated to have killed between 50 and 100 million people worldwide. That was a proper pandemic. And what he did, he said she said he painted their tonsils with iodine. Now, I’m not quite sure what that entailed, but he was obviously using it. Neither as a gargle or as a as a therapy to infection in the throat. And she said his death rates from that, Spanish flu epidemic was zero. Oh, none of his patients died. And the reason for that is because they were getting the virus by inhalation. He was massively reducing the loading dose of virus, which we know determines the severity of that, unless using iodine and getting fantastic results. So again. But the trouble is, it’s too cheap, it’s too safe, and it’s too effective. And big Pharma doesn’t like that.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:36:15] Yeah. Now we did a programme many years ago with Professor Creswell Eastman, who was from Sydney University. He had a program he was referred to as the man that Saved a million lives, because he went to China and dealt with an iodine deficiency. And he shared with me a couple of interesting facts, but one of them was that iodine is one of the biggest deficiencies in the world.

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:36:38] It’s the most common deficiency across the world. It’s the single biggest cause of mental deficiency throughout the world. Iodine is essential for the brain. And, even a very recent study, showed that about 20% of Europeans have a, clinically, clinically important iodine deficiency. It’s so cheap, you know, and at one stage, all the salt in this country used to be iodised in order to prevent deficiencies occurring. But of course, in it, that no longer happens and salt is no longer iodised. But, yes, we should all be taking I think we should be taking three drops of new gold iodine every day, and it’s potential harm effectively zero. The potential for good. Huge.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:37:25] How do we know if we are deficient? I mean.

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:37:29] Well, you can do tests, but I know tests are expensive and not readily available. And the point is, it’s like saying, you know, how do we know if we’re deficient in food? But we don’t need to test for that. We just eat the stuff, don’t we? It’s the same with iodine, you know? And if you have a 2 or 3 drops of iodine every day, the potential harm is zero. You can only do good. So let’s what? Let’s just make that a rule of thumb. Let’s just do that every day. I keep my bottle of iodine, next to my, toothbrush upstairs. So I brush my teeth. Oh, I don’t have my dose of iodine. I put three drops in a glass of water down the hatch and and where it goes. So it’s just become a normal part of my life. And that’s the important thing about treating patients is we have to put it in place for them. Interventions that are affordable and very doable. I they could be easily included into their lives. And iodine is one such. So, as I say to my patients, just do it. We don’t need to test, just do it. The evidence is overwhelming.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:38:33] Now, we talked about the heresy of saying vaccines as a doctor questioning vaccination. There’s another when we’re talking about iodine and going back to high school chemistry. Iodine is part of the same family as chlorine, bromine, fluorine and iodine. And I asked Creswell Eastman this question, does fluoride to have the potential to displace iodine from the thyroid gland?

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:39:01] Absolutely. Yes. Absolutely. Yes. And, you know, many, people in this country have no choice but to drink fluoridated water because it goes in by government edict. And, we’re seeing epidemics of the underactive thyroid at the moment, is extremely common and it’s being missed. And one of the reasons that I have no doubt is chronic lack of iodine and chronic low grade fluoride poisoning. And as you say, they are related halides. And if you take a good dose of iodine, that will help to displace fluoride from the system. In fact, I’ve just read a fascinating book. And your listeners will love this. By, Melissa Gallico. Now, she worked for the, she’s very bright works intelligence, I think, for the, FBI. And she had very severe cystic acne. Now, of course, the first thing we do to treat cystic acne is put people on the ketogenic diet, and that will cure many. But she found. Yes. All right. It was quite a bit better, 80% better. But she still had these painful cysts that were coming up. But she observed in her travels around the world, she would go to one, place in the world and her face would skin would clear up completely. Other places in the world. The sister cat, you would come up within a few days. Anyway, she did some very good detective work and cut a very long story short, she demonstrated to her satisfaction as the satisfaction of many others that fluoride was the problem. Acne is partly fluoride poisoning. Now, acne is, you know, is so common in this country. It’s almost a rite of passage. You know, all teenagers, you know, expect to get a few zits and spots, but it causes misery. If you see young, people, it destroys their lives because they, you know, they face it comes with these nasty, infected sores and boils, and then it’s no good for their self-esteem. It’s no good for their ego. But we can cure it. We can cure it simply by low sugar, low carbohydrates, you know, paleo diets, cutting out the dairy products and giving them and avoiding fluoride. But all dentists painted on to the teeth. It’s in all toothpastes. Pastes is often added to the water. It’s very difficult to avoid it, but it’s causing misery to millions of young people.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:41:22] Yes. Now, I always, feel that when I about people ask me, obviously fluoride in the toothpaste and I say, well, I just have a concern when I put something in my mouth that on the label it says if swallowed, seek medical advice. You know, so I have, I don’t know, does that bother you? It bothers me. So, you know, there we go. But, I mean, just the reverse osmosis filter, as far as you know, take it out. Does does it take so understand.

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:41:50] So I mean, I’m no scientist, I know, but yes as I understand. So that does but it’s very wasteful of water and and you Australians can’t afford to waste water, so yes that does. Or you just have to buy bottled water and drink bottled water.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:42:07] You mentioned, the, keto paleo diet. And, you know, we’ve done lots of programs on, on low carb and, and type two diabetes. In fact, you’ll be pleased to know, Sarah, that in Australia, a group that I very proudly have been supporting of defeat diabetes the doctor Peter Brukner he. Has just signed, collaborating an agreement with Diabetes Australia to introduce a low carb diet. I believe this is one of the most positive public health measures measures in 40 or 50 years.

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:42:44] I absolutely agree with you. And in this country, a similar body has been set up called the Public Health Collaboration that spearheaded by GP in Liverpool Gospel Doctor David Unwin. Oh yes. And he you probably know they didn’t he he he. Yeah. And but he has now reversed. I spoke to him fairly recently, 135 cases of type two diabetes and not only reverse the diabetes, but these people who were then overweight, they’re now slim. And these people are also fatigued and foggy brained. They are now, fit. They have their energy back and they have, more importantly, they have their brains back. And of course, you know, and a dementia is now being called type three diabetes. It’s a sugar problem of the brain. Yes. So, yes, absolutely. And I can guarantee to reverse type two diabetes with diet and nutritional supplements. And that is very seductive message.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:43:40] But you know, you’re talking about it also in the sense and this is what’s so important about nutritional and environmental medicine. It cuts across every disease. It cuts across every disease. But you’re talking about it in the sense of improving immune function to deal with these infectious diseases.

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:43:57] Correct. And you know the point about naturopathic medicine or ecological medicine. Functional medicine, it doesn’t matter what you call it, is that we are asking the question why? What are the underlying reasons why we have migraine, why we have arthritis, why we get cancer, and so on. And I’ve come to the conclusion that pretty much the starting point to prevent and treat all disease is exactly the same. There’s nothing clever about it. It’s all about doing evolutionary correct diet, paleo, ketogenic taking a basic package of nutritional supplements to restore normality because all modern dates are deficient and we deficient in sunshine, to restore normal sleep. Most people sleep deprived because, you know, we’re kept awake by light, by televisions, by radios, by noise or whatever. And when you put all these things in place and include that with, you know, a good social life with lots of giggles and lots of laughs and then, you can be well and a healthy person and a functioning and important member of society. But, you know, as soon as you undermine that with poor quality diets, are processed foods, high carbohydrate, high sugars, addictions, then, health starts deteriorate very rapidly. And the one of the ways that I think I help people to explain the carbohydrate problem is by pointing out that sugars are horribly addictive. Now, we all know that addictions are bad for us. Alcohol, smoking. Nicotine, caffeine. Yes. You know, and as I say to my patients addictions, they’re good servants, but bad masters. So I should have a birthday this weekend and we can have a party. And guess what? I just have a few glass of alcohol. I shall behave very badly. I shall tell some very silly jokes, but they will be much funnier if I’ve had a couple of glasses of wine and. But then I will get back on the wagon afterwards. So it’s going to serve me well this weekend to make it funny and entertaining for everybody, but not at not on a regular basis. Now, both my parents died from alcohol related diseases, and, you know, I don’t want to go down that path. So I don’t drink regularly, but the occasional jolly. Yes. So in my case, that alcohol is a good servant but a bad master. And it’s the same with sugar. Sugar is highly addictive. In the short term, it’s rocket fuel. So if I wanted to, you know, win an Olympic gold medal at sprinting, then, you know, I would have a sugar hit before then because I would run even faster. It is rocket fuel. But we shouldn’t be doing that all the time because it’s so damaging to our metabolism and, so, so the the basic diet should be low carbohydrate, high in fibre, high in fat, normal amounts of protein. No dairy products, no gluten grains, because they’re such major allergens and they cause problems for other reasons. But once that diet is established, the occasional addiction is fine. I mean, I had one patient who came to see me. He said, I smoke one cigarettes a day. Is that okay? And I said, I’m sure that’s absolutely fine if you can keep that one secret today. I wouldn’t worry too much about that. But most people, when they have one cigarette before unit, they’re up to 20 a day because it’s so addictive. I couldn’t do one dose of, alcohol every day because I’m a natural addict. I know I’d want two glasses and then three and then four. And I’d be on the route to alcoholism. So I say no to the first bit. And, and then I’m not tempted by the second, third and the fourth.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:47:38] And when we talk about low carb, it means so many different things to so many different organisations and people. What is the low carb level for you? And we talking grams of carbohydrate today here.

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:47:51] The fact is it’s different for everybody. and where I get my patients is I say you must test to see that you are in ketosis. You see, we have bodies that can run on two fuels. Yes, of course they can run on sugars. But actually our mitochondria, the engines of our car and of us, of our bodies. I think that, they prefer to run on ketones and we get ketones from fat, and we get ketones from fibre. Now, because sugar is so dangerous to the body, if there’s too much around the body, we use it as a fuel to burn it up, to get it out of the way, because it’s, you know, running high blood sugar is so damaging. So, I asked people to test to see if they’ve got ketones using a ketone breath test such as that. The point here being is that if you are blowing ketones, using the breath test, then you know your blood sugars are acceptable because the body will always burn sugars first. So I like people to be in ketosis at least once a day. And once you get into the swing of it, I find I’m in ketosis all the time. Sometimes I’m in like ketosis in the mornings, because in the mornings we have a spike of stress hormones like adrenaline and cortisol wake us up and get us going. And the cortisol effect does raise our blood sugar a little, and that can sometimes knock you out of ketosis or put you into light ketosis. But the rest of the day, you should be well into ketosis. And that tells me that you’re doing the diet sufficiently well.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:49:21] Let me ask you this because I think it is quite a challenge. I mean, in my experience, it has been quite a challenge to stay in ketosis. What did your day I mean, it’s early in the morning in the UK now, I think. Yeah. And so let’s say yesterday. What did your day look like that put you into ketosis. Did you have a breakfast or did you. What?

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:49:41] What’s the. So these days. These days you see, as we get older, you can stay just as fit and just as well, but you have to work harder at it. So, these days I now time restrict eating. So I eat all my food within a six hour window of time. So these days I don’t have breakfast. Now I sometimes feel a bit hungry in the morning, think, oh, I fancy snack at this, I fancy snack at that. But if I ask myself, is the brain working? Then guess what? Yes, it is working. Have I got physical? Well guess what? I have got physical energy. So I know this is. This is greed, not need. So lunch is nearly always last night’s leftovers. So that means I only have to cook once a day. So last night, we had fish, and, I had rice, roast potatoes with sugar peas from the garden, of course, is a good time of year to be in the garden and broccoli. So I put an extra plate out. So my lunch today will be last night’s leftovers, which is, say, fish and vegetables. I might have a snack in the afternoon, but I might not. Well, at the moment we’re picky. Lots of, I’m picking a lot of raspberries and strawberries. And guess what? I should tuck into some of those. And then the evening will be a meat and vegetable meal. Berries from my deep freeze. Coconut milk, maybe as a cream. Maybe I’ll have, one of my paleo breads if I make some Lindsay with some paté. So I eat extremely well. I have a very, very diet, and that’s important, too. I mean, we touched upon the microbiome, earlier, and we don’t know much about the microbiome, but what we do know is that the more diverse it is, the healthier you are. And we should aim to eat at least 30 different foods a week. Now, one of the ways I help achieve that is I have a very good recipe for what I call fibre cake, and it’s terribly easy to make. I’m not a cook, so, my cooking has to be for those people who have don’t have the the time, the energy or the inclination. Now, I’m lucky I have energy, but and. And time. But I’m not naturally a good cook, so all I do is I put into a bowl lots of different seeds and nuts. So sesame seeds, chia, quinoa. Lindsay’s coconut, desiccated coconut nuts, whatever. Whatever. Mix them all together, put in some coconut oil, and I don’t have to be very angry with that. So I put in a dollop and then mix it all out, and then I keep adding eggs until it sticks together into a sticky mess and then put into a cake tin, press it down and cook it in the oven, and it’s absolutely delicious. Making cake like that will last me at least a week or ten days. And if I need a snack, I have a chunk of that. So it’s got at least 1015 different ingredients in that. And that’s a very good way to keep my diet diverse. Us. Because the more diverse my diet, the more diverse is my microbiome and the more diverse your microbiome, the healthier you are. So I know I’ve gone off the track.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:52:39] No no no that’s great. You’ve you’ve whet my appetite and I want the recipe for that. I’m sure it’s a.

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:52:44] Credit to.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:52:45] Your own. I’m sure it’s a great vehicle. I’m sure it’s a great vehicle for the other superfood you mentioned, which is the paté.

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:52:52] Oh, yes. Absolutely. Well, again, I’m very lucky. I have my own pigs and. And they’re grazing pigs, so they’re they’re grass fed pigs. And I will send them up with some concentrates as well. But, yes, paté is a great food. And, when pigs come back from the market, I, it all comes back in nice bags and I deep freeze, but I get lots of liver. And that liver I make into liver paté. Very easy to do. So perfect food. Liver is one of the most nutritious foods that you can eat. In fact, organ meats generally are far more nutritious than the muscle meats. My little Patty Dell terrier, who is my best friend. She absolutely loves the hearts. So, she gets the she gets the raw heart from that, and that’s a great treat. In fact, I was fascinated to read that primitive tribes, when they went hunting, of course they would hunt, you know, in a tribe, and all members would be involved, and then they would kill an animal. But the leaders of the tribe, you know, the tribal elders, they would get the offer that was considered, you know, the best food, the most nutritious foods. And the women, you know, they just got the muscle meat. They just had to put up with the steak.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:54:02] Yeah. Yeah.

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:54:03] So, so, you know, we forget that awful is a really good, nutritious food. And we should be eating kidneys, liver, hearts, brains. You know, brains make the most delicious bone marrow. Bone marrow makes the most delicious paté. So. And again and again I don’t have bone broth on in the, in the summer because it’s too hot. But in the winter when I have, I have a wood burning stove that, that powers my house. There’s always a pot on there with bones boiling and bone broth is the most wonderful nutritious stuff. And we should all, you know, in the winter, have a pot on constantly boiling. It’s the basis for good soups, the good stews. And just as a drink, it’s a delicious drink instead of drinking herbal tea.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:54:47] I think there’s two aspects to that bit of advice that I would add, and that is that is one way of really honouring the animal’s life by, by consuming the entire animal. And that is sacred. And it is to be honoured number one. And number two, I think it’s really important that all animals are not the same. Those that are, those that grow in a feedlot in an unethical ways, that what’s not good for the animal is not good for us. It’s not good for the planet. But if an animal is well, it lives well and has only one bad day in their life. And we honour that animal by eating everything. I think that’s that’s a pretty good model. It’s served us well for millennia.

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:55:32] I entirely concur with that. And you know, my pigs, they have a very good life. They have seven acres of land they can rummage around. None. It’s very rare. I like one, for it’s at least a year old. So they have a good life. They live in a social community. You hear in squeaking and chatting away to each other. They’re very jolly. They’re very friendly. You can sit down and they come up and make a fuss of you and, and they’re lovely animals. And when they go to the abattoir, they don’t know that they’re going to the abattoir. And, and it’s done very humanely by a local abattoir that I know and respect. And I see how they are slaughtered and, they have a good life and they have a good death. And none of us could wish for more than that.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:56:13] Sarah. Thank you. I look, we got to wrap up there because you’ve given us so much. Not only food for thought, but recipes that you must share. And and, you know, this whole story of the vaccines and this whole story of natural immunity, is such a powerful and important one. It’s a story for many practitioners, let alone the public, that is easy to miss. But once you hear it, very difficult to ignore. Thank you for sharing your wisdom and knowledge with us today.

Dr Sarah Myhill [00:56:40] My pleasure.

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:56:41] Now I would encourage you to read, the book, Turtles All the Way Down. And, we talked about it in this episode, and we discussed why the authors are anonymous. It is a very disturbing read for somebody who, like myself, has been really accepting of of vaccinations. And let me give you one reason or two reasons why that is. So if case you missed it, when a, a drug is tested, it is tested against, a placebo, and that placebo should actually have no physiological effect, something like a sugar pill or a salt. Two, because then you know that what you’re testing is the drug itself. And any reaction that the patient may have to that drug, you can then assess against something which has no effect on their health at all. That is what a placebo is. Now in the first part of turtles All the Way Down, they list many, many instances. Of various vaccines over the years that have been tested and the the control that they have been tested to. You would think would be something that had no effect at all. But in fact, most vaccines are tested against other vaccines, so we don’t really know what the actual effect is. So there is a problem with the basic science. This is almost unbelievable. But the book was written in 2019, before the current pandemic, and I looked for rebuttals for criticisms of this book. You know, of course, the medical profession could just tear it apart, but you won’t find that in the literature. The other thing that’s interesting is that in vaccines adverse Reactions, there was a report done by the Institute of Medicine in the United States in 2011, looking at 158 adverse reactions that vaccines could possibly cause. Now, there was something like 5 or 10 that were shown to have anaphylactic conditions. There was another few that were, tested. The only they could only find enough data on adverse reactions to cover about 35 out of the 158 adverse reactions, the rest about 120 adverse reactions. They simply had to conclude that there was insufficient scientific data for them to draw any conclusion. However, the 2011 report concluded that there was that vaccines were completely safe, even though in the report itself there was insufficient evidence in the literature to comment on about 120 other, of adverse reactions. And the book goes on. Look, I would recommend that you, have a read of that. Now, another book on vaccines was written by Professor Peter Gersh. Now, when when evidence based medicine is, is, having problems that it does I mean, literally tens of thousands of, articles are retracted every year in the scientific journals because they have found to be the science is found to be faulty. And an A the Cochrane Collaboration was formed in the early 1990s to try to put together an independent organisation which could overcome these kind of problems. One of its founders was Peter Gooch, Professor Peter Gooch. He was a founder of the Nordic Cochrane Collaboration. In 2013 he wrote a book called Deadly Medicines and Organised Crime How Big Pharma has correct Corrupted Health Care. Now, that was his 2013 book, which I think the article, the the title of the book speaks for itself. In 2019, he wrote a book on vaccines with particular reference to Gardasil, the Merck Company’s vaccine for human papillomavirus. Now, he was almost well, I think he was, in fact, in his own words, excommunicated from medicine and and the health sciences because he had the audacity to question a vaccine. And, he, he says that this was basically, suicide in, in medicine because of his questioning of the god of a vaccine. That was in 2019. Now, if you look, in 2024, Merck have been taken to court for, fraud and illegal, marketing and fraud in that God is still a vaccine. So five years after Peter Dutch had written the book for which he was pilloried, Merck have now been found guilty of, of illegal marketing and fraud for the human papilloma virus. So the book Turtles All the Way Down is a well worth reading. The book by Peter Gershon, vaccines, with particular reference to Gardasil is also well worth reading. And Sarah, My Hill’s article on vaccine science and myths gives a pretty good overview of all of that. It’s a sad and sorry story, which I would rather just bury my head in the sand and pretend it never happened, which is what I think the vast majority of public health officials in the medical profession do. But at this stage in my. Career. I find it much more enlightening to explore this with an open mind. And I hope you do too. If you’re listening to this podcast and you’ve got all the way to this point in the podcast. Well, I’d also encourage you to join our unstressed health community with like minded people and like minded practitioners. I hope this finds you well. Until next time. This is doctor Ron Erlich. Hey. 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