Prof Ian Brighthope: Is Immune Function Still Important?

Today, we are going to be exploring the pandemic and immune function, and we are going to be talking to one of the legends in Australian health care, Professor Ian Brighthope. Now, Ian is the founder of and the past president of ACNEM - Australasian College of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine.

As you will hear in the episode, Ian has a very definite view about why this has been handled, he reminds us of the importance of immune function and shares with us some very important advice about how to ensure your immune function is functioning optimally.

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Prof Ian Brighthope: Is Immune Function Still Important? Introduction

Hello and welcome to Unstress. My name is Dr Ron Ehrlich. Well, in this week’s episode, we are going to be exploring the pandemic, and we are going to be exploring the immune function, and we are going to be talking to one of the legends in Australian health care, Professor Ian Brighthope. Now Ian is the founder of and the past president of the Australasian College of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine (ACNEM).

And as you will hear, he has a very definite view about why this has been handled, the frustration he has experienced from our leaders. He reminds us of the importance of immune function and shares with us some very important advice about how to ensure your immune function is functioning optimally, which is still important even though we hear nothing about immune function from any health authorities, which is a serious concern to me. 

I honestly believe that this pandemic was a great opportunity to improve public health because like never before we had a global audience focussed on public health and there was a very definite need to improve immune function.

However, there has been an incredible silence about immune function, and it seems that vaccinations are the only way forward and as we are learning, I thought when we got our vaccinations, I’ve been double vaxxed, that life would get back to normal. That’s why I actually got vaccinated. 

I’ve never had a flu vaccine in my life, but I decided to take a heap for the team. I wanted to get life back to normal. I know so many people in small businesses, I know so many people in hospitality and education, in tourism, in entertainment, and if they are getting a double vax was going to get them back to normal, well, that’s great. And I wanted to travel and enjoy life. Get back to normal.

Well, doesn’t seem to be happening. Does it? And if the answer continues to be one more vaccine, one more vaccine, one more vaccine, well, there is another way, and that’s what today’s episode is all about. I hope you enjoyed this conversation I had with Professor Ian Brighthope.

Podcast Transcript

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:00:00] Now, before I start, I would like to acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which I am recording this podcast, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation and pay my respects to their elders past, present, and emerging.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:00:22] Hello and welcome to Unstress. My name is Dr Ron Ehrlich. Well, in this week’s episode, we are going to be exploring the pandemic, and we are going to be exploring the immune function, and we are going to be talking to one of the legends in Australian health care, Professor Ian Brighthope. 

Now Ian is the founder of and the past president of the Australasian College of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine (ACNEM), which I have been proud to be a member of since the 90s. I have a fellowship in nutritional, environmental medicine from that college, and I was honoured to be president of the college in 2019 and ’20, and Ian and I communicated a great deal between the very beginning of this pandemic.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:01:10] And as you will hear, he has a very definite view about why this has been handled, the frustration he has experienced from our leaders. He reminds us of the importance of immune function and shares with us some very important advice about how to ensure your immune function is functioning optimally, which is still important even though we hear nothing about immune function from any health authorities, which is a serious concern to me.

I honestly believe that this pandemic was a great opportunity to improve public health because like never before we had a global audience focussed on public health and there was a very definite need to improve immune function.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:02:00] However, there has been an incredible silence about immune function, and it seems that vaccinations are the only way forward and as we are learning, I thought when we got our vaccinations, I’ve been double vaxxed, that life would get back to normal. That’s why I actually got vaccinated.

I’ve never had a flu vaccine in my life, but I decided to take a heap for the team. I wanted to get life back to normal. I know so many people in small businesses, I know so many people in hospitality and education, in tourism, in entertainment, and if they are getting a double vax was going to get them back to normal, well, that’s great. And I wanted to travel and enjoy life. Get back to normal.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:02:43] Well, doesn’t seem to be happening. Does it? And if the answer continues to be one more vaccine, one more vaccine, one more vaccine, well, there is another way, and that’s what today’s episode is all about. I hope you enjoyed this conversation I had with Professor Ian Brighthope. Welcome back, Ian.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:03:07] Thank you very much, Ron. Good to be back.

Prof Ian Brighthope’s perspective of the pandemic

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:03:09] And we are obviously in a pretty big health challenge for the whole global community, the pandemic. How are you seeing this pandemic?

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:03:21] I see the pandemic as basically a pandemonium. Chaos. Leaders leading us somewhere where we don’t really know where we’re going and I don’t see any definitive outcome. I think it’s going to go on and on and on as it has. 

In the beginning, we were told if we get a vaccine, the vaccine will be safe and we were told they were safe. We’re going to be effective. And we discovered that they’re not safe and they’re not effective. And some of the vaccinated countries, for example, Gibraltar, which is over 100% vaccinated, have got more hospitalisations and more deaths than before.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:04:05] Beggars belief that we continue to do the same thing and hope that there’s going to be a more positive outcome, Ron. I can’t see it the way we’re doing it, and I really have serious problems with jab after jab after jab of a synthetic RNA, which is the genetic basic material that’s been synthesised that goes into our bodies and tells their bodies to produce an S protein, which is a toxic protein. 

We don’t know for how long it’s going to be doing that. We don’t know where it’s going to be switched off and we don’t know where this toxic protein goes and what it actually does in the long run. We know where it goes in the short term, but we have serious problems with the technology and I always come back to some wise words. We command nature only by obeying her, and we’ve actually not obeyed her at all. 

And in fact, we’ve deviated from God. If you believe in God. We’ve deviated from common sense and we have deviated from the best science. And that is the science of nature, not the technology science that we’re so dependent on in our everyday lives. Technology’s great, and technology plays a very important role in our day to day living, but technology is not the way of dealing with a pandemic when nature has the solution to our problems.

Are the current vaccines a new technology?

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:05:38] Well, we’re going to come to nature in a moment because I think you’re touching on something which we hear very little about and that is our own immune function. But I want to come back to what you mentioned about this technology because the discussion has been very much about vaccines or anti-vax.

And actually, it’s more about… because I think vaccines have been shown to be effective for 40 years and safe, relatively safe, and certainly had a huge impact on health. What I think a lot of people are missing and it’s really not, it’s kind of being dismissed as though it’s not significant, is that this is a whole new technology. Is that… That’s correct, isn’t it?

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:06:23] It’s absolutely correct, Ron. I mean, we in the West, we really didn’t invent vaccines. Jenna and Cowpox was one of the first, of course, in the West where it was successful. But the Chinese were using vaccination for centuries, for millennia, possibly where they would find a piece of rotten timber or a fungus somewhere then rub it on the skin and then scratch it into the skin. This is part of traditional Chinese medicine. 

So we’re not that smart in the West, where it’s actually taken the technology and we’ve actually grown bacteria and viruses. They may have weakened them or attenuated them, and then they may have injected them. And that’s called vaccines. They’re modern vaccines, but these are nature’s molecules. They’re not synthetic molecules, and they’re certainly not genetic material that we’re injecting now. 

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:07:17] So these are not vaccines. Although the W.H.O. and others have redefined what a vaccine is so that this genetic material that we’re injecting is regarded as a vaccine. But we’ve been brainwashed to think that drugs and vaccines are the only ways to defeat infections, and they’re not. In fact, the only use of vaccines over the last, I’d say, since the 1980s, the overuse of vaccines is a form of abuse of our children because it’s been shown quite clearly that unvaccinated children are healthier in terms of general health and immune disorders and allergies than kids who have been over-vaccinated. 

So I’m not an anti-vaxxer. I believe that there are some vaccines that are absolutely essential, but we have given the industry the opportunity to make a lot of money out of creating more and more and more vaccines when basically simple lifestyle changes can prevent and treat a lot of the diseases that we’re over-vaccinating.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:08:29] So this is not a true vaccine. And please, whoever is listening, start thinking about what we’re actually injecting. It is a computer derived piece of messenger RNA that looks a bit like the messenger RNA that would produce the spike proteins. But the spike proteins aren’t the naturally occurring Coronavirus spike proteins. They are altered, and they are adjusted for a whole range of reasons to make them more effective and more absorbable, more penetrable into the system. 

And we don’t know what these toxic proteins, in the long run, are going to do to our immune system. I believe probably overwhelm the immune system, weaken the immune system, compromised the immune system so that when we do get another current Coronavirus variant, it doesn’t know how to handle it.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:09:24] Which, you know, you mentioned taking an attenuated or reduced toxicity virus and injecting it, and that would then float around the blood supply, whereas this one that is what vaccines have done. 

But this one actually gets right into the human cell, which is not just the synthetic mRNA that you referred to, but it’s actually entering the human cell, which is another first. This is the first time that technology has ever been used in humans. And I think that actually needs to be said quite clearly and quite loudly.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:10:02] Well, it does, Ron. I mean, it’s quite scary when you see people lined up like sheep in a drenching race to be drenched and vaccinated and being vaccinated by vaccine needs them, vaccinate all. So, people who are putting the needle in, who are not properly trained, put the needle in and they inject straight away. I’ve seen so many people being injected without the drawback of the plunger in the syringe to make sure that their needle is not in a blood vessel. 

And what’s happening I think with some of these who are having bad reactions to the vaccines is the blood vessel is penetrated by the needle and the messenger RNA is directed directly into the bloodstream. And this is why it’s spreading throughout the whole body and people are having very, very serious adverse reactions. And of course, we’re seeing deaths as a result of the vaccines as well. So that’s one aspect of it.

But once it’s in the muscle, it’s meant to stay there in the muscle and produce the spike protein. Well, it doesn’t. Spike proteins travel around the body, and the spike proteins have attachments to the inside of your blood vessels attaching to the so-called endothelium, and that it causes a response by the immune system, which sends in a whole lot of white blood cells, the fighters, to come in and actually attack this spike protein, which is what it’s meant to do, the immune system is meant to do.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:11:28] But once it starts doing that on the inside of your blood vessel, your blood vessel starts to produce substances that make little platelets. Some small little cells called platelets get sticky, and these little sticky little platelets clump together. And that’s the start of a clot or a micro clot, a small, very small clot. But if that very small clot is forming in your very, very fine blood vessels called capillaries, then the blood’s not going to travel through very easily and you end up with, you know, coagulation problems, consumption of your white blood cells, consumption of your platelets. 

And when you get the consumption of your platelets, they can no longer act to form clots and you end up getting easily bleeding. And this is what a lot of people are bleeding from the nose, bleeding from their throat, females bleeding from the vagina, and so on. It’s just, you know, we understand the mechanisms of action and the pathology that’s occurring not only with the virus, Ron but also as a consequence of the vaccinations or so-called vaccinations.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:12:32] And actually, you mentioned something there which our listener may have missed just then, but my ears perked up because I remember in the third when I first learnt to give injections in the mouth as a dentist, the first thing I was taught was when you inject, you draw back a little bit on the needle to ensure that you are not injecting local anaesthetic, let alone a messenger RNA new technology into a blood vessel. 

You are drawing back, and that small point multiplied by millions and millions of it’s very literally very hit and miss that. So some people may not have got into the blood vessels. Others would. I didn’t have any reaction from this vaccine. Others do. 

Well, maybe they got into the blood vessels. I think that’s a really important point thanks for drawing that out because and the endothelial, you mentioned endothelial, and that just lines every… Well, so much of the structures in our bodies, particularly are our blood vessels and people…

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:13:37] The blood vessels to the heart are very important, blood vessels to the eye, very important. I mean we also know that this toxic protein and actually cross the blood-brain barrier, so it comes out of the blood, goes right into the brain, into our brain cells as well. This is scary. This is very scary. I think far more scary than a virus that has got a very low death rate, extremely low death rate, only in the elderly and those with co-morbidities. 

And now with all of this so-called vaccination that we’re doing, we’re seeing the emergence of resistant strains, new strains and the emergence of altered viruses. Hopefully, they become weaker and weaker and weaker and more transmissible so that we all get a mild infection. 

But hopefully, and I’m using the word, hopefully, because it’s being used so much in this pandemic by the epidemiologists and the experts or the so-called experts in pandemics, will hopefully flatten the curve, will hopefully get the numbers down. We’ll hopefully eradicate the virus, will actually suppress the virus. I mean, it’s on and on. There’s nothing definitive. Let me tell you, Ron, nature doesn’t believe in the word “hopeful.” Nature is a definite, definite in her decision making when it comes to these processes to get onto the…

Is immune function still important in human health? 

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:15:14] Oh, that’s a good segway into my next question, which I can’t believe I’m actually asking you this Ian, but it needs to be asked because we hear so little about it. Is immune function still important in human health?

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:15:32] What is the immune system? It’s a defensive system. And when we break down the body into the skin, the liver, the gut, the lungs, the heart, the brain, the nerves, the bones, everything. We break it all down, and then we find in the bloodstream or cells that type oxygen around the body and provide us with oxygen, that gives us energy when it’s burned up with glucose. And then all these other cells are left, “Oh, we’ll call those cells the immune system. Oh, the white blood cells. It’s the immune system.”.

Yes, there are different sorts of white blood cells. There’s lymphocytes, there’s leukocytes, there’s natural killer cells, there’s helper cells, there’s suppresses cells, there’s a t fold. All of these wonderful cells of the immune system.. Is that meant to be our defences? I’m sorry most people now know that you’ve got a microbiome in the gut full of bacteria, viruses, fungi, a whole range of different microorganisms in the gut that really are another organ in our body. 

And if it’s a healthy gut, it’s a healthy microbiome in the gut, we’re healthy people. But that’s not the only microbiome. As a dentist, you’ve got, you know, you’ve got a microbiome in the mouth, in the ear, in the nose, microbiomes in the skin. All over us. In fact, we’re in it a whole sea of viruses and bacteria and fungus all the time. We’re swimming in it.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:17:08] Yeah.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:17:09] […] of them all over us. All over us.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:17:12] Yes.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:17:13] I’ll just turn off the phone. I’m getting too excited.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:17:17] No, no, no. You know, I share your passion and you know that. You know that.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:17:20] I do.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:17:20] I mean…

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:17:20] The immune system, where does that start, Ron? The immune system starts with your skin, with the tears in your eyes, with the wax in your ears, with the mucus in your mouth. Very important. The mucus in your mouth, goes all the way down your gut, all the way down your lungs. It’s the mucus that inside of us actually is the first port of the face. 

The first stop for a bacteria or virus to get into our system. But mucus, you don’t get sick among because the mucus the cells lining your airways and your gut. Healthy skin, you don’t get infections because there are cells in your skin that kill bacteria and keep them at bay and you’ve got the good bacteria there as well and the good virus.

So, you know, with the whole of our system is a defence mechanism. We’ve got a defence mechanism and communications just like a country has. It is so important for survival to thrive and stay alive and healthy. So to make sure that our mucus and the lining cells are the first port of entry of a bacterial virus, how do we improve the defences there? 

Just imagine your body and your cells being like a fortress or castle, and in the castle, you’ve got a moat and the castle has got bricks. Between the bricks is a mortar, and on the top, we’ve got a parapet with soldiers with bows and arrows. And you’ve got a gate, and a moat, the drawbridge. And inside, there is a commander in his office and a whole lot of soldiers. This is just the analogy to our defence.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:19:14] The mucus is the moat. If you’ve got no mucus, if you’ve got no moat or it’s it’s not toxic enough to invaders, then the enemy is going to get to the inside of your fort. And if the enemy gets the fort, you want to make sure that wall is strong. The moat is healthy. It’s got killing factors in it. The moat has got killing factors, these come from (Vitamins) C, D, Zinc. Think, C, D, Zinc.

C, D, Zinc makes your moat stronger, make your mucus stronger. Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Zinc. The wall is made stronger with Vitamin D, C and Zinc. The mortar, the zinc, in particular, stops it going between your cell in the… OK? The little soldiers on the parapet… So they’re the first antibodies, they’re firing rockets, they are firing arrows, throwing spears, they’re pouring oil over the invaders if the invaders are getting crushed by. 

So already you’ve got a second line of defence there, but some idiots at the drawbridge and open the gate. But that’s because you’ve got Vitamin C deficiencies, lack of D for defence. So in it goes, and once the enemy is inside your fort, inside the castle, inside your cells, inside your body, you’ve got a rush to produce so-called antibodies. 

But soldiers in there are all being organised by the commander in the nucleus of your cells, the commander in his little office, the DNA telling them all the little soldiers here we’re going to produce more soldiers. We’ve got to produce more antibodies. But well, you know, to put it on a depending on the protein produce antibodies, they’re going to be fed the right food, and your commander in the office is the DNA, and the DNA in your body is responsible for producing RNA, which produces proteins, which produces antibodies.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:21:17] So the analogy of a fortress, whether it be your cell or your entire body is so important and C, D, Zinc. C for the cure, D for defence, Zinc basically to give rise. That’s what we do is basically we basically strengthen up every layer of our so-called immune system. And when we just inject somebody with messenger RNA, what it does is this crook goes in and fools your commander. 

Fools the inside, and it is a foreigner in there fooling everybody. It’s a little con man, the messenger RNA becomes a con man. Telling your cells to produce this protein that when is ejected from your cells or your castle, goes out and confuses everybody. It goes out and confuses all of your other defences. We don’t know what is it doing. And also the RNA, the nasty little enemy that’s got inside your fort, goes into the commander’s office and confuses the commander as well. And we were told that the RNA does not get into your DNA. That is a lie. 

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:22:53] The RNA, the messenger RNA that’s injected goes into your DNA. And remember, this is a synthetic, computer-driven, computer designed messenger RNA with the basis determined by a computer code. Wow. What are we doing to our DNA? And what happened if that happens in our egg and sperm? What really is going on? I have got no answer, and I don’t know why we’re doing it to humanity. 

I honestly don’t know why when we have and had all of the answers to serious acute viral infections for decades now. The evidence that Vitamin C, D, Zinc and other nutrients play a critical role in our overall defences. Why are we just so hung up on vaccines and a partitioned so-called immune system, which is fine when we want to study our immunity. But there’s more to the immune system as indicated than just white blood cells. Right? To the surface, to our tears, to inside our ears, to the lining of our lungs and our gut.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:24:22] And we have got it terribly wrong, terribly wrong. Just like we’ve got the external environment terribly wrong with pollution, carbon dioxide and everything else. Terribly wrong. And we have to reverse that. We have to stop it and reverse it. Our internal environment has also been suffering since the industrial revolution. 

I mean, not only from inhaled gases – carbon dioxide, nitric oxide, sulphur dioxide, etcetera, the ingestion of toxic herbicide, pesticide, residues that are left on our food supply, our toxic water supplies, they’re not the purest in the world. We also have heavy metals being pumped out. We think just burning coal produces carbon dioxide, but it doesn’t. It produces a whole lot of other things that go up into the air and fall down on our food supply. And these are heavy metals like cadmium, mercury, arsenic.

Prof Ian Brighthope’s communication around vaccines and response

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:25:23] All compromising immune function, which is exactly what I think both you and I know about you and me because we’ve talked about this and you have been quite prolific in your communication with the most senior people in this country. 

You know, when I was in that role of a president the beginning of last year, you started writing letters to a lot of people because I think like me, you saw this was a potential to deal with this problem. And I wondered if you might share with us your communication, some of the communication, people you communicated with, and some of the responses?

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:26:04] OK, I’ll start with the prime minister, I communicated with him once or twice. No response. I communicated with the health minister on many occasions, both with emails, letters and a lot of support right from the very start talking about C, D, Zinc, and the C, D, Zinc campaign with the health minister, federal health minister. Many times had all those Zoom meetings that a lot of money for. No response apart from the final one November last year, when he referred me to the TGA with my ideas about Vitamin D, I provided the literature to the TGA about Vitamin D. No response. 

I’ve communicated with the medical heads of the pandemic in Canberra. No response. It’s bewildering when you don’t get a response. I’ve communicated quite a lot with my local member and said is that he’s passing on the messages to the health minister, but I still don’t get any satisfactory response at all.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:27:18] I communicate with a lot of politicians on both sides. I did get one or two responses back from labour ministers, but nothing definitive. It’s very interesting. I take my vitamins. Thank you very much. You know this is bewildering to me that nobody during the call the ABC radio, no response. 

In fact, they keep you holding on. If you say you want to talk about something into a natural approach, they just leave you on your own and that more than half an hour you hang up. I wrote to the AMA, I got a letter back from the AMA that is very interesting, but we can’t do anything. The RCGP, the College of General Practitioners, again, nothing. In fact, they came out with the statement that there was not enough evidence for Vitamin D…

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:28:08] Which is an extraordinary statement to anybody that has read the literature. That is, I mean, I think you shared an incredible treasure trove of references from Grade A journals – Journal of Endocrinology, Journal of American Medical Association, New England Journal of Medicine, Lancet. 

These were the articles you sharing with me which were outlining that, for example, I still remember one that was 2013 on of an ICU study which showed that 70% of people in ICU were deficient in Vitamin D. 

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:28:48] Yes, and nearly 100% have got insufficient levels of Vitamin C. And yet they died from a Vitamin C deficiency, a different form of scurvy and another informal scurvy. 

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:28:56] Yeah, but I think the thing that I think both you and I were incredulous about because you shared those responses with me, some of them anyway, was that almost the next week, the TGA approved Remdesivir, which has so little evidence to support it, has so little made such a difference, such a little difference. And yet is two or $3000 a dose. It’s patented. It’s a new patented antiviral. 

And yet the next week, even though Vitamin D of which there were literally hundreds, if not thousands, of articles, not to mention our entire undergraduate study of biochemistry. And yet, the same week, the TGA approved an experimental drug that cost two or $3000. I was just incredulous when I read that.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:29:53] It does test your credulity, doesn’t it, Ron? Especially when there’s a lot of studies about Vitamin D and C and Zinc in acute viral infections. Remdesivir, I believe from what I understand, was used in Ebola in Africa, and it actually killed 50%of the people who took it. It’s a highly toxic drug, and they’re still giving it to very sick patients in intensive care. Which brings me to another… 

I mean, I communicated with the various colleges, postgraduate colleges in medicine, as well as the College of Intensive Care Specialists, who, after some successful cases in intensive care using high dose intravenous Vitamin C made a statement, came out with a statement. I published a statement that they would not ever give high dose intravenous vitamin C in intensive care unless it was in controlled trials.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:30:54] Now that was published in 2010. It’s nearly 12 years later, and they’re doing clinical studies with high dose intravenous Vitamin C in intensive care units now. And I know patients who’ve been honoured. The studies are designed to fail. They’re giving very sick patients, very small doses like 16 grams of Vitamin C when they should be giving 60 grams of Vitamin C to save their lives. 

And they’re giving it for four days, then stopping it. And that’s the worst can do to somebody is actually to give them Vitamin C, but even at the low doses that they’re giving, to build up their stores and then all of a sudden when they’re needing a lot more to get them alive, get them off the ventilators and out of intensive care, they stop it. This is just like taking somebody’s life right away from them. 

It is abhorrent, and I know why they’re doing it because they want to design studies that actually fail because they’ve got so much pressure. So we all use intensive care and medicine and drugs and vaccines. That’s all we want to hear about. That’s all medicine and it’s all about. That’s all you totally… and vaccines. These are the miracle cure.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:32:17] Well, I tell my colleagues and I love a lot of my colleagues and a lot of good people in medicine. They’ve got a great right to heart and spirit in medicine, but they’re brainwashed. They’re absolutely brainwashed and brain dead. As far as God is concerned, brain dead as far as nature is concerned, in helping to keep people alive. 

I say to the students who used to come to the college for courses on nutritional medicine and environmental medicine. I would not trust any of you with my chook farm. I would not trust any of you with my pig farm. And if I had a sick priced bull or ram, I would take that as far away from you as I possibly could, because I know you would kill it.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:33:05] That’s quite, I mean… Yeah, I know.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:33:06] Yeah, I mean it, they’re not healthy doctors. 

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:33:11] Well, I just I’m trying to understand the psychology of that. I mean, I think doctors, I think we all love certainty. And if someone provides us with a certain solution, I think it’s one of the reasons why religion’s been successful, as it has been for thousands of years. It provides answers that are sometimes unanswerable and we love that certainty. 

We feel secure within it. And I almost feel like the way medicine is approached and I think their hearts are in the right place. They definitely are in the right place. I would never suggest that someone was purposefully doing this, but I think this certainty overrides all other considerations. Is that how you, I mean, you must have grappled with this in your mind many times.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:34:02] Yes.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:34:02] I mean, it’s one thing to say. I wouldn’t trust my chook with it. But I just wonder about the psychology of these definitely well-meaning doctors, are they… They’re not wanting the worst, but their certainty is more important than their patients’ health. I think that is perhaps the key to it.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:34:23] There’s definitely a bias there, Ron. And, you know, remember, you’re very young when you go into medicine and dentistry and these other professions, you’re very, very susceptible to information and you’ll be impressed by your leaders and you believe your leaders and your leaders believe their leaders and their leaders believe their leaders. But where do the real leaders come from? 

Where does the influence come from? In medical schools goes back to the 1930s and 1940s, when the medical schools were promised money from the chemical companies to develop drugs and patentable drugs that would make the drug companies rich and wealthy able to fund or research. 

And that’s why there’s research in the chemicals and vaccines, and we tend to admire our leaders and leaders’ leaders and we believe them. And there is a bias there, a definite bias. But we end up in a situation where there is cognitive dissonance.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:35:23] Absolute cognitive dissonance. The brainwashing goes beyond any level of rationality. And there are some experiments done. I think his name is Nelson, who said quite clearly the majority of people so put in an experimental situation and they were given a shock machine and the next door next to them was a doctor in a white coat. And behind the wall was a person strapped to a chair receiving mild shocks. 

It was shown that the majority of people would listen to the doctor in the white coat or the person of authority, and they keep on dialling up the shock to the point where the person next door would be screaming in pain.

Now, these experiments have been done and similar experiments have been done since in psychology, which means we will follow our leaders and listen to our leaders no matter what. And no matter how much rational thought or facts and data and facts and data a basis to science is presented that something is not quite right. They will still be that cognitive bias, they’ll still be that belief in the leader. This is what’s happened with this pandemic. We believe in our leaders. We trust our leaders.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:36:53] Well, I’m sorry. I never, ever, ever trusted anybody in my training of medicine because, in the early days, I was chastised for asking about a patient’s diet. You’re not interested in the patient’s diet. We’re going to be treating her cancer. It’s a little old lady dying in bed from starvation. I saw it. 

So we’ve got to say to ourselves, how do we inform people? How long is it going to take before people realised that somebody died in their family just after the vaccine? Somebody and the diagnosis of the cause of death was a heart attack or stroke in a 40-year-old who was very healthy prior to the vaccine. 

How do we explain the syndromes that have increased dramatically and even more so all of the autoimmune heart diseases that are occurring and I’m talking about autoimmune because these young people suffering from pericarditis and ocarditis? It’s the start of an autoimmune disease. 

And so we’re going to have a huge and overwhelming burden of patients young and old occupying hospital and health care systems into the future. I predict this. I predicted the failure of the vaccine. I predicted the failure of the AIDS approach to vaccines, and I was right about that. And in fact, my battle with Fauci goes right back to the HIV AIDS days.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:38:31] Right.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:38:33] Fauci. That’s a lot of money that involved in the vaccines, that involved in the CDC, FDA and so on in the US. He believes in vaccines and vaccines only for the majority of the population. But take away the early treatments that were successful, like ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and condemn them at the same time, he admits to taking C, D, Zinc.

Trust the science: Where does the science come from? 

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:39:04] I think it begs a bigger question here because everyone falls back on this and that is, “trust the science.” You’ve got to trust the science in the art. The science is very clear. Where is that science coming from?

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:39:18] Well, it was coming from the people and companies who for a long time now since the 1990s have been looking at coronaviruses, patenting coronaviruses, patenting the genetics of the coronaviruses so that they can make a lot of money out of it. It goes back a long, long way. 

If you look at the history of it and I’m not familiar, too familiar with the history, but I’ve read it, I’ve looked at it, I’ve listened to experts who have actually gone down the rabbit hole and looked at what’s going on. The patents are unbelievable. They’re owned by parts of the US government, and you can’t say that the CDC is not independent of the US government. The CDC makes the money on the vaccines and sells the vaccines.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:40:07] There’s a web of big money and big, big money involved in not only the vaccine manufacturers, but the scientists who are working with the messenger RNA and also the World Health Organisation is funded by the interests of the American government, funded by billionaires who are saying well over the last two years, the billionaires in this world have doubled their fortunes, double their fortunes, the top 10 billionaires have doubled their fortunes. In the last two years, more than 200 million people have been forced into poverty in the US.

There’s something seriously wrong with our systems, and I don’t trust the government. I don’t trust the health department. I don’t trust our institutions anymore. I have a little confidence in all of them because I do believe there are good people in these institutions, but they need to stand up, stand up and speak out. In particular, the oppression, the oppression of our medical profession, the doctors who are not allowed to give full and informed consent to people who’re having the vaccines. This is…

What people aren’t saying about Ivermectin

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:41:37] Well, I think that the classic example is the fact that ivermectin, which has been shown to be effective, was now banned by the TGA. Medical practitioners in Australia are not allowed to prescribe ivermectin, which a successful PR campaign referred to as horse medicine, ignoring the fact that ivermectin received a Nobel Prise for Medicine in humans in 2015. 

The first anti-microbial drug in 60 years to get a Nobel Prise in Medicine. And yet that was banned by the TGA. And yet the TGA almost immediately approved Molnupiravir, which is made by the same company but cost $700 a dose.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:42:28] Now that just, I just, it takes my breath away and when I hear this trust the science story, and I do believe the majority of people making these decisions and are good-hearted people. I just think this is a story that is just so easy to miss because you’re overwhelmed by the science which is conveniently provided to you. But once you hear it, it’s very difficult to ignore. If, if if… Yeah, I mean, I just… Yeah.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:43:00] There’s good science and it’s better times. Yeah. And I think we’re in technology and money coming into science that becomes corrupted. It becomes seriously corrupted. Let’s look back at the 1940s and there was a race looking at nuclear energy and Niels Bohr, and rather than all of these other people looking at the amount of energy you get out of a single atom. 

And so we discovered nuclear energy and nuclear energy is fantastic for medicine and for a whole range of other things investigations in medicine and treatment and medicine. And, you know, nuclear energy can be used to utilise to produce clean energy for the world. But then, on the other hand, we can use it to make atomic bombs and kill millions of people if we want to. Those were the bad sides.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:43:59] Same with the mRNA, Katie Watson, the woman who actually did all of that work for many, many, many decades on messenger RNA. She discovered something is possibly very, very useful, still hasn’t been proven, but still possibly very useful in the treatment of autoimmune diseases and cancers.

 That’s the positive aspect of messenger RNA. But now it’s been distorted and distorted just like nuclear energy from being something useful to being something like an atomic bomb. We’re actually taking messenger RNA making vaccines out of it, giving it to healthy people and or people who may have COVID and expecting to have a positive response to it. 

Well, I’m sorry, we’re not getting a positive response to it. And those who are claiming they’re going to get a positive response to it, are making false claims based on false facts, false information, false data and false interpretation of data that is actually quite, how do I say it, one day it may be regarded as being criminal.

Children taking Pfizer

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:45:01] Hmm. And I mean, as I said, this isn’t about the vaxxing or not vaxxing, this is about experimental technology, which has potentially the potential to be amazing. I’ve no doubt it has the potential to be amazing, but to be experimenting on a global population, let alone children, is something that I find quite frightening, particularly as the grandfather. My grandchildren are between a few months old and six years old. 

And I read this morning that five to 11-year-olds can now have the Pfizer vaccine, which is essentially still in phase three clinical trial. I don’t want my granddaughter to be in Phase 3 clinical trial of novel technology. She’s had all her vaccinations. I’m not worried about that. I just want to. I just don’t want her to be part of a Phase 3 clinical trial. So trusting the science, well… 

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:45:54] Well, trusting the science, Ron, don’t vaccinate the children. The underreporting and underrecording that’s going on in this country again is it stretches the imagination, stretches the credulity beyond belief because we know from studies that have been done in the past and current studies in the US that the reporting and recording of adverse responses and deaths can be as low as 5% in some studies, even 1-2%…

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:46:30] Meaning, meaning 90% go unreported or 95% unreported. Yeah, and I think we’ve actually already recorded, I was on the TGA site just recently about these experimental vaccines. I mean, I think when other ones like Novavax or the one in South Australia, COVAX from Nikolai Petrovsky, maybe this is using the old fashioned technology, but the new technology, I think we’re up to about 60000 adverse reactions recorded on the TGA’s site. And to your point at least 90% of adverse reactions go unreported. So do the maths on that one.

Suggestions for supplements for boosting immunity 

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:47:08] Ian look, I wanted to finish on a positive note because I want to leave our listener, you know, I mean, we don’t hear a lot about immune function. You’ve reminded us of how important it is. I wondered if you could tell our listener, okay, you mentioned the C, D, Zinc which is Vitamins C, D, Zinc. If the person was relatively healthy and wanting to protect themselves, how would you suggest that what sort of supplementation would be a basic?

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:47:40] I would basically say, stay active, you know, get some exercise every day. Heat is very good for killing viruses and boosting up your immunity. Get some sunshine, the Vitamin D. Think positively. Do some meditation, some Taichi, some relaxing, some stretching exercises. You know, don’t punish yourself in the swimming pool or on a rowing machine or jogging up and down the block. 

So around the countryside, a lot of that exercise over stresses the immune system. We don’t need to do that and have plenty of sleep because sleep is very important for immunity. But I think, putting all of that aside and assuming we’re doing all of that, you want to make sure one thing. 

From all of the evidence, all of the evidence about the immune system is if you have your Vitamin D levels above 125 nanomoles per litre, then you are virtually zero risk of morbidity and mortality. I like to see it above 150, ideally up to 200 nanomoles per litre at those levels. You’re actually taking yourself against Vitamin D deficiency related cancers such as breast cancer, prostate cancer and so on.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:49:02] So that is the most important message because our study in Turkey showed that anybody, everybody who is admitted to hospital with morbidity had blood levels below 75 nanomoles per litre. They’ll put the only person who died in our study. She was admitted with a blood level of less than 10 nanomoles per litre.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:49:26] Wow.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:49:27] So you can be either efficient and die insufficient and get sick sufficient and get a mild cold or flu, or be well-nourished with Vitamin D and be asymptomatic. That’s the objective I would have for the entire globe, for every person on the face of the Earth.

And then let it rip because we have got, just in case there are some breakthrough infections, we have got safe and effective therapies that have been banned, called ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. That has been banned in favour of vaccination. So-called ‘Gene Therapy,’ if you like. I’ll say gene therapy.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:50:17] And I do believe also, let me say that our leaders in this country have been brainwashed. Or adversely influenced by the marketing hype created by the big vaccine companies. And they’ve got some very clever, highly paid psychologists, marketing people, and they have essentially convinced us all that vaccination is the only way. 

Vaccination has failed and continues to fail. And if we keep on relying on jabs instead of D, C, and Zinc, we’re going to keep on making mistakes and people are going to continue to die from vaccines and be maimed from the vaccines. You know, I think the figures now are that up to 50% of the deaths occur within the first two days. Then another 80%, I think, in the next two weeks. 

But these can be prevented to a large extent if we have enough C, D, Zinc in our systems. So if you were forced to have a vaccine or you wouldn’t have a vaccine, you would protect yourself. Then again, the C, D, Zinc and all of the other things that we’ve talked about for self-defence are important. Very, very important.

What is the minimum supplementation/daily dose of Vitamin C, D, Zinc for people interested in fortifying their immune system?

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:51:44] What dosages if you were on a daily dose of Vitamin D, C and Zinc, and I guess magnesium is another one that because it’s so important for Vitamin D as well. What would you say would be a minimum supplementation if someone was interested in fortifying their immune system even though they were going down the vaccination path? 

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:52:06] Look, we recommended 5000 to 10000 units of Vitamin D. I actually published a one pager on this one, I can send it to you if you like… 

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:52:17] Yes, please do.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:52:18] …on prevention, early treatment and later treatment with or without ivermectin. So it’s in the two papers along to. But five to 10000 units of Vitamin D between 2000 and 6000 milligrams per day of Vitamin C, a well-tolerated, and Zinc, about 30 mg of elemental zinc per day.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:52:44] Mm-Hmm

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:52:45] But the D, push to D. You may need to take a lot more D than that to get it up to the levels that I’m talking about. And you mentioned magnesium. Well, magnesium is important in the enzymatic processes to make Vitamin D available as the active form called Kelsi Trial.

So magnesium, you may need to set up 200 to 600 milligrams per day, 600 milligrams per day is the upper dose, but magnesium rich foods are everywhere. Sometimes supplementation will help, but green leafy vegetables and fish – salmon – a source of potassium and magnesium. 

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:53:24] So I try to do things as naturally as possible. But if we live in caves and I’m in a cave right now, you’re in a cave right now, and people listening to us would be in a cave right now, and cavemen and cavewomen don’t have sufficient levels of Vitamin D. That’s why cavemen and cavewomen light a fire at night to keep warm and go out into the sunshine during the day and go pick berries and nuts and seeds.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:53:53] Yeah. And as always, thank you so much for joining us, sharing your insights, your wisdom. Thank you so much also for your passion and your writing to those very senior people to at least say what you’ve said. Thank you so much.

Prof Ian Brighthope: [00:54:10] Thanks, Ron. Great to be with you again.


Dr Ron Ehrlich: [00:54:14] Well, Ian Brighthope is a legend in health care in Australia. Ian, Professor Ian Brighthope, was the founder in about 1982 of the Australasian College of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine (ACNEM). And people often ask “What is nutritional and environmental medicine?” 

Well, nutritional and environmental issues are responsible for the cause of so many, if not all, of the preventable chronic degenerative diseases that we see in our society today and now at epidemic proportions, things like cardiovascular disease. I think 18 million people a year die globally of cardiovascular disease, and that’s about 50000 people a day die of cardiovascular disease.Cancer.

I think there are around 11 million people that die of cancer every year globally, which equates to about 27000 people a day die of cancer. Another comorbidity is Diabetes, and it’s rising. And the figures for diabetes are equally disturbing. So, and not to mention autoimmune conditions, so nutritional and environmental factors are responsible for conditions that are preventable, and that’s what nutritional and environmental medicine was all about. 

And Ian has been at the forefront of teaching literally thousands of health practitioners, including many, many doctors, over the last 40 years. He lectures extensively, and he has been absolutely at the forefront of nutritional and environmental medicine.

And when I was president of ACNEM, I was president in 2019 and 2020. And when the pandemic hit, Ian immediately started writing letters to Brendan Murphy, you will have heard of him, the Head of the Health Department, Greg Hunt, of course, the Australian Federal Health Minister, Scott Morrison, the Prime Minister, as he said he wrote to the Australian Medical Association. 

He wrote to everybody, and he basically said, “Look, the science is clear. Here are literally the hundreds of references to support the simple, effective, low cost, accessible supplementation of Vitamin D, at the very least, and zinc at the very least, because they have been shown. And C, that’s what he’s talking about when he talks about C, D, Zinc – Vitamin C, Vitamin D?

This is not alternative medicine. This is just good medicine. Does it come from the science in medicine provided by the pharmaceutical industry? Most definitely not. You’ll realise that this is a theme that’s been going on for the last few weeks and we’ll be pursuing it more in the new year. But this idea of trusting the science, the science in medicine is largely paid for by drug companies because, in order to pay for expensive research, you need a return on investment.

Well, when you’ve got Vitamin D, which costs very little, the return on investment of showing that Vitamin D is effective is not great, not an economic return. The health returns are there, but we’re talking about a market-driven economy and that’s what health care has become — a market-driven economy. And you, as a consumer, as a patient may naively, although if you were listening to this podcast, maybe not so, but you are, you could be excused for naively believing that health care is above the market-driven economy.

Well, one of the saddest things you will come to learn if you explore it in little more detail, and I don’t blame you if you don’t want to because it’s a disturbing thing to learn, that health care is actually a market, a very big market. I mean, it’s a multi-billion dollar, if not a trillion-dollar industry. And good health may make sense, but it doesn’t make much money, and chronic disease management is what it is all about.

Now, this is most definitely not about anti-vaccine because vaccinations have been proven time and time again. I mean, measles, mumps, rubella, smallpox, cholera, polio, you know, there have been some great vaccines which have provided us with a lot of this with sterile immunity. That means you get a vaccine and you will not contract. It’s unlikely that you will ever contract or transmit measles, mumps, rubella, smallpox, cholera, polio.

That’s what sterile immunity means. The thing about these vaccines and let me just say that all of those vaccines that have been used over the last 40 or 50 years are protein or attenuated virus vaccines. That means a virus has been taken, and attenuated/ It means it made less virulent, but enough to mount an immune response. And that gets injected and the body mounts a response, building antibodies in the memory of those antibodies. That is sterile immunity. 

The Coronavirus, which the flu is one and COVID 19 is another, is a very quickly mutating virus. And there have been at least to, I think, 10 or 15, maybe even more mutations of this COVID 19 coronavirus since the beginning of 2020, almost since December 2019, when this was first identified. And that’s why you need a flu vaccine, supposedly every year, even though that vaccine reaches its maximum, it’s no longer really effective after three to six months, which we’re learning is the case now.

But there is another way of counting, and that is to focus on immune function. Now, whether you go down the vaccine path or not, bolstering your immune function is still very important. And the thing that concerns me is this concept of trusting the science. Well, we need to explore where that science is coming from. 

And this week’s Healthy Bite will certainly explore that in greater detail. Those recommendations from Ian are important, and I will have those documents as a download for this episode. I hope you found that interesting, stimulating, and perhaps a little disturbing, but important. I hope this finds you well. Until next time. This is Dr Ron Ehrlich. Be well.


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