Dr Thomas Levy – Can You Boost Your Immune System Against the Coronavirus (COVID19)?

Dr Thomas Levy, cardiologist and lawyer, joins me to discuss the question of can you boost your immune function, your immune system against coronavirus (COVID19)? And more broadly, against any future pandemics or viruses that we are confronted with?

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Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:00:10] Hello and welcome to Unstress. My name is Dr Ron Ehrlich. Well, today we are asking a very important question. Can you boost your immune function, your immune system against the coronavirus? And actually, more broadly, against any future pandemics or viruses that we’re we’re confronted with?


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:00:32] This is a central question. This is a really important question. And unfortunately, the debate about this is being stifled. And I have to say it is being stifled. So this is part of what we are focussing on over the next few podcasts. And some of the guests will be addressing this issue. But my guest today is cardiologist and lawyer Dr Thomas Levy. Now, Thomas is we had an interview with him about 18 months ago. And you can there will be links to that. But Thomas is a prolific writer. He is a researcher. And he has an incredibly open mind. And I’ve read two of his articles, which I’m going to have linked to the show notes here. The two articles that attracted my attention most recently were “COVID 19. How can I cure thee? Let me count the ways.” Now, this is an attractive statement which immediately attracted my attention. And the second article that Thomas wrote was, “Can a simple therapy stop the pandemic?”


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:01:47] And the answer, as you will hear, is, yes, it can. We hope. So, First things that I discussed with Thomas and I really wanted to share with him, this Web site that’s been I get worked up about this, as you will gather by the end of this podcast. And it’s a new federal and state government-sponsored website, “free Australian health advice you can count on. Can you boost your immune system against the coronavirus?” I mean, they do mention sleep, which I agree with is very important and the importance of washing hands, which is also really important than actually wiping down your phone if you haven’t washed and all very good and even some advice about mental health. But it says many Australians are anxious and stressed about the Coronavirus. You might feel a little powerless. But there are a few things you can do to help strengthen your immune system and help protect yourself from many types of viruses. None of them involves hazmat suits. And then they answer us this very important question. “Do vitamin pills protect you from the coronavirus? The answer is no. It’s much better to get all the nutrients you need for a strong immune system from a balanced diet.” I agree with that. But finding a balanced diet is a challenge. It goes on to say that “most healthy people do not need expensive supplements”. But of course, healthy people don’t suffer from the complications of coronavirus or are not chronically ill. So that’s a whole other statement there. And with a couple of exceptions, folic acid for pregnant women, supplements work. But “social media has been infiltrated by claims that mega doses of vitamin supplements such as intravenous vitamin C can treat the flu-like symptoms of COVID19. But there is no evidence to support this”. Now, I have a problem with that because there most certainly is evidence. And if this is government advice, I’m concerned consuming high doses of certain supplements such as vitamin A and D can, in fact, be toxic. Now, again, rather than focus on the toxic effects of vitamin D for which you have to take megadoses, deficiencies are the common feature in our population. Vitamin C is water-soluble, which means it’s not lethal. But if you consume more than your body needs, you’ll flush it down the toilet. So this is a worry. I admire what the government has done, but I am concerned about this kind of advice, particularly when it’s public health advice. So this is what I showed Thomas just before we started and asked him for his comment. Well, there’s a lot of comments he makes.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:04:32] I hope you enjoy this conversation I had with Dr Thomas Levy.


Dr Thomas Levy [00:04:36] That’s sad and a bit evil.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:04:42] Well, it’s funny you should say that, but let’s not waste any of this. I just realised that I just want to welcome you to the show. Very good. And it is, I believe, more than sad. One could argue and actually supported in a court of law, I think, that it is almost culpable.


Dr Thomas Levy [00:05:03] It is almost almost what I can tell you right now. For a physician to let a patient die on the coronary and the intensive care unit of sepsis and specifically refuse to give vitamin C at the family’s request when the patient dies, at the very least, that’s negligent homicide.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:05:27] Mm-hmm. Now, let me just contextualise this Thomas. We’ve spoken before. You know, you were on a guest a few about a year or two ago, and we talked about vitamin C, that you are both a cardiologist and a lawyer.


Dr Thomas Levy [00:05:44] Yes, sir.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:05:45] Tell us why. Well, I mean, the cardiology can understand. But, you know, lawyer?


Dr Thomas Levy [00:05:51] Well, it really all began when I first encountered all this information. It was with Dr Hal Huggins about twenty-five years ago in Colorado Springs. And wow, Dr Huggins did so many of on guard on the edge things. Very good. Very safe, but definitely not something that mainstream medicine or dentistry wanted anything to do with. And I saw very early on when I started working with him in consultation in a consultative capacity. He had a lawyer on retainer. I mean, he had a lawyer on retainer that he probably spent about twelve thousand dollars a month on retainer just to take care of the steady stream of B.S. that was nipping at his heels. And somewhere along the line, without any really specific idea what I wanted to do with it. I thought about the fact that, well, I have the time. Dr Huggins is actually supplied me with the money and for some reason, this is the craziest part. I had the motivation and I did my what I call my ninety thousand miles ninety thousand dollar plan of commuting to Denver from Colorado Springs for three years and getting my law degree. And I especially talk about the motivation part now, because I’ll pick up one of those old law books that I studied and I can’t get through three paragraphs. I said, how on earth did you actually study this stuff before? But so it was sort of an idea of self-preservation, along with a better understanding of the whole picture, because obviously everything we’re talking about is hardly limited to just science and medicine. It’s far more, unfortunately, far more complex and involved than that. And in the end, I’ve probably had several board actions actually dropped against me because of the fact that I was a lawyer. It was very interesting. I made a reply to one board letter that made some accusations. And I let it be known discreetly in the letter that I was a lawyer as well. And they wrote me back and that’s fine Dr Levy. That settles the issue. And the lawyer that I had retained for that purpose said, I’ve been doing this for twenty-five years and I’ve never seen a board drop in action after they get one reply to the initial complaint. So anyway, that’s where it stands now. I do a little bit of consultation for doctors and dentists who are getting board actions or malpractice actions with regard to vitamin c and other issues. But that hasn’t been a big, big feature. But it has been some of the other things that I’ve done.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:08:40] But it’s so interesting that you should choose to do that 25 years ago, given the situation we find ourselves in today, where if one questions the fact that the advice given in official circles is to the three standouts in this virus approach, oh, well, maybe four. Wash your hands socially, isolate, wear a mask and let’s wait for the vaccine. I mean, I think that basically covers, the standard approach to this problem. And should anybody stand up and question that and say, hang on. What about this question? Can you boost your immune function beyond what the government now? I didn’t show you who this is government. This is the Australian government and every state health department, I think apart from Victoria, ironically. But every state and the federal government. This puts their badge to it. And this is the official advice from those that are dealing with this on our behalf. And should anybody and I’m president of the Australasian College of Nutritional Environmental Medicine, and I know that there are members in my college who have just put their hand up and said, hey, hang on, there are other things we can do. This is you know, you are almost at risk of losing your licence for having the audacity to suggest such a radical and poorly referenced idea. And yet, wouldn’t it be nice if they all did a law degree like you have done?


Dr Thomas Levy [00:10:29] It would help the perspective quite a bit.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:10:34] Sad comment, sad comment.


Dr Thomas Levy [00:10:34] Very sad commentary. And it took me 25 years to reach the point of what I’m going to tell you right now. And I don’t say it lightly and I don’t say it trivially. But a substantial number of doctors are evil. By evil, I mean, they value their money and their prestige and their integrity more than anything else. And if by chance the patient’s health is best rendered by that, then great. But the patient’s health for them. In my opinion, the vast majority of doctors is not their number one consideration in considering the Hippocratic Oath that all of us took and supposedly meant. I think that’s a very tragic situation. But the fact of the matter is, doctors, do not support inexpensive, effective therapies, I mean, we can go on about the financial incentives in the pharmaceuticals and everything like that. But the bottom line is in medicine, just as in any other business. Money rules.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:11:40] You know, gee Thomas.


Dr Thomas Levy [00:11:42] And don’t just think about your group of physicians. I mean, when you group in the mainstream physicians, the chemotherapy docs, all these other people, the infectious disease doctor who would be absolutely devastated if they allowed vitamin C or hydrogen peroxide into their arsenal, then they’d no longer be the super experts of these incredible exotic antibiotics. And they’re to deliberately suppress those therapies. I say evil.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:12:11] Wow. I mean, you know, I’m kind of. I think it’s funny you should say that because I prefer to say that that many doctors have unwittingly presided over the worst epidemic in chronic, preventable chronic diseases in human history. And now presiding over supposedly one of the worst pandemics we’ve had in human history, arguably arguable that one arguable.


Dr Thomas Levy [00:12:40] But how many doctors have not prescribed or given hydroxychloroquine, but taken it prophylactically themselves? Yes. What the heck does that say?


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:12:50] Yeah, look, you know, I think one of the things about medical practitioners are they are working really hard and they love certainty. And certainty comes much more readily through a prescription pad than it does through the study of biochemistry physiology, which we all learnt in undergraduate school and all couldn’t wait to you know, we passed that exam, tick that box. Thank God I don’t have to worry about biochemistry and physiology anymore. Just give me solutions. And the prescription pad offers solutions, not only seemingly solutions, but they also follow they actually offered the support of the establishment. I mean, the regulatory bodies will not criticise you for writing a prescription, but God help you if you ask for a vitamin D blood test or you prescribe intravenous vitaminC, they will come after you for that. So I think there is. Look, let’s not argue about that.


Dr Thomas Levy [00:13:50] Semantics. Tomato Tomato Potato Potato


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:13:55] But. And I just wanted to remind our listener, Thomas, that you are also a board-certified cardiologist.


Dr Thomas Levy [00:14:01] Yes, sir.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:14:02] So you are not some social media person confusing the issues. You have been studying medicine. How long you’ve been in medicine now Thomas without giving away too much?


Dr Thomas Levy [00:14:13] Well, I graduated in 1976 from med school, so it’s been a while. But I got to say this. You were talking about board-certified cardiology. And this is something else that we need to keep in perspective, especially with the press, also with physicians and especially politicians. They say, well, the medical experts said this and he’s published 400 papers and he’s on the faculty of X, Y and Z. Well, guess what? I can come up with an expert with equal credentials saying the opposite thing. Yes. Now, are there two opposing truths or is there only one truth? So just because you get a few loudmouth, bold, arrogant doctors willing to make assertions and they have a pedigree a mile long, that pedigree means nothing. I mean, again, this may be comes from where I think about a lot of docs, but I think an unbiased, logical, hard-working power will give you a better argument, pro or con, something that a physician who has wedded his views to a certain discipline and is not willing to look at anything that would push it one way or another. He has this line of thinking. And if your point or question in any way modifies that rather than argue with you logically, he’ll just dismiss you or just say it’s ludicrous or say it’s crazy or indications the press attacked you as a person or your credentials.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:15:52] Well, you know, one of the things in my role at the College is when I hear so-called experts saying there is no evidence to support the use of vitamins. My response to that is I’m sorry. I think we need to reframe the question. The question isn’t, is there any evidence to support it? The question is, why haven’t you read the literally thousands of articles that there are to support it? And why do you display your ignorance? Not only so publicly, but with such hubris. And when that hubris identified, you know, actually forms public health policy, I believe we have a problem. Houston, a big problem, you know.


Dr Thomas Levy [00:16:39] Yeah. I had one physician who asked me to. Help him with the action of his board against him for using intravenous vitamin C in infection. Now, we’ve talked about vitamin C, Asepsis, but this is a little bit before that data. And I said, well, I’d just show me all the documents that have been generated and particularly show me the written opinion of their, quote, unquote, expert. And like in the first line of this analysis, he said he says she said, I don’t remember which one. There is no evidence at all scientifically that vitamin C has any role in the treatment of infections. And I just took that quote, put it in quotation marks. I began my response, I would respectfully submit to the board that you find a new expert because this expert is obviously not familiar with the many thousands of articles that are in the literature and for this expert to make such an outlandish statement. I think he doesn’t serve you well and the board did drop it after my letter back. Well.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:17:54] Well, I think if one thing comes out of this pandemic and I do believe good things will come out of it. It will be exactly that. And that will be holding those accountable who have not read the literature and who still have the voice of government. And it’s easy, I believe, in chronic disease where the timelines are very long, you know. I mean, 10, 10, 20, 30 is the timelines for chronic disease to manifest. So it’s very easy to hide behind the timelines of chronic disease and pretend managing or prescribing something is doing what is considered the standard of care. But when we are faced with this, this highlights the shortcomings of that approach. Thomas, with that in mind, let’s dive in. Because. All right. You know, we have spoken in the past about vitamin C, but you have written two articles for the “Orthomolecular News Service”, which I’m very honoured to be on the editorial board. I know you are, too, but you’ve written two really excellent articles. And so I wanted to talk about “COVID19: How can I cure thee? Let me count the ways.”


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:19:10] I wondered it might start a ton of things that the science tells us could either prevent, improve or cure. And I love the way you’ve identified those as well.


Dr Thomas Levy [00:19:23] And of course, the title comes from “How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.” So I tell you, I wrote it and I couched it this way because everybody out there, mainstream, alternative, complementary, has like there one little thing that they’re promoting and they’re citing and they’re justifying and it might be fine and good and I might be completely valid, but it’s so focal that a potential reader, just as, oh, that’s another person embracing their particular beloved approach. So I wrote it this way so that at a glance, at a glance, somebody could see there’s no one cure for COVID. There’s half a dozen and probably a half a dozen more if you evaluated them a little bit further. But as we’ve already discussed vitamin C, it’s very clear cut in the literature that there’s not an acute viral infection that vitamin C has ever failed to resolve. It’s just a matter of dose. We got to use enough. And of course, that’s the shortfall of a lot of the quote-unquote, studies are out there. They’re still getting positive effects, but they’re using may be one-tenth of the dose that they should be using, ironically enough. China has been using a ton of vitamin C for a long time. And it would appear this is one of the reasons why things cooled off in China relatively quickly considering the amount of disease they had at first. Early on, there was a little article that showed one of the major drug or pharmaceutical companies had 50 tons of vitamin C shipped to China. OK, so China has been putting a lot of literature in vitamin C, but right now, understandably, everybody is so anti-China, they don’t want to even consider the research coming out of China as having potential validity. But if you take enough vitamin C, you’re pretty much never going to get a virus. But if you do, it’s easily curable. The other thing is you have the vitamin D has been shown substantially when you take a large dose to decrease mortality. OK. Not as a monotherapy, but whatever else you’re doing. If part of that regimen is you’re hitting hard with vitamin D you have a very substantial clear cut drop in mortality. And of course, the whole thing about hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, these are known to be zinc ionophores. And ionophores is something that binds an ion so that it’s no longer charged, so to speak, takes it through the membrane and get to the inside the cell. And something I didn’t realise before all this started. But all of us have a lot more reading since all of this has been going on for the past five or six months, is that the zinc inactivates the RNA polymerase of the virus replicating inside the cell. So really, by itself, zinc is a potent antiviral agent. It’s just that you need to transport it inside the cell. And to this end, and this hasn’t been done yet, but I know that “Live on labs” in the United States makes a B complex liposome encapsulated that also has 15 milligrams of zinc. And I think it’s a proper liposome encapsulated form of zinc would even bypass the need for the ionophores and could very well serve as a monotherapy. Also clear quercetin is a bioflavonoids is a well-known zinc ionophore. And although the studies haven’t been done yet, a lot of people would be well served and would be easy and inexpensive along with their basic vitamin array C, D would be to add zinc and quercetin into their regimen probably. Now the most significant. I mentioned a bunch of other things in there.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:23:32] But before you moved on, I wanted to come back to vitamin C because the standard view is almost like, hey, listen, if you don’t have scurvy, you’ve got enough vitamin C, right? I mean, and the recommended Daily Dose. I just want to put this in perspective for our listeners, because you’re talking about high, low doses and all of this. But I do believe that the standard approach to this is if you don’t have scurvy, you don’t have a vitamin C problem. And the recommended daily intake, RDI of vitamin C. Well, what is that? It would probably be about one hundred or a two and.


Dr Thomas Levy [00:24:11] No more 60 to 90 milligrams,.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:24:13] 60 to 90-milligram milligrams. Now, let’s just go back to what a dose what a daily dose of vitamin C for you, Thomas. Knowing everything you know is and we’re not even getting into the therapeutic doses. What’s a daily dose for use that you take on a regular basis?


Dr Thomas Levy [00:24:34] Well, I take liposomol encapsulated C, which is effectively a long-acting form. A couple grams of which says they go directly into the cell. It’s really like taking 10, 20, a 10, 12, 15 grams of regular vitamin C grams. It’s a little more expensive, a little more expensive. Without taking that, you’re really best served by taking a regular form of vitamin C ascorbic acid or sodium ascorbate, but three times a day otherwise, just like all the criticism is going to level in your blood. And then you pee out the rest. Well, just because you urinate out a lot of the vitamin doesn’t mean you’re not retaining an important percentage of it. You just need to periodically reintroduce that so that you keep the levels in around the clock. But overall, the whole point about the importance of vitamin C is very readily explained by the fact that basically most human beings are genetic mutants. OK. We have a four enzyme sequence in our liver that’s designed to convert glucose to vitamin C. They’re very similar molecules. And. When you, when they functions, you make your own vitamin C and secrete it directly into the blood. And, all of the animals do this except for us primates, fruit bats and guinea pigs, and of course, why is the guinea pig a guinea pig? Because it gets sick really easy. It gets sick really easy because it doesn’t make vitamin C. Point being is when you look at animals of comparable size to the human being, it appears that we should be making regularly under normal baseline circumstances between eight and fifteen grams a day. And consider the fact that this is secreted directly into your blood. So there’s no absorption problem, which would mean your oral dose would be astronomically higher than that. But it’s just certainly not practical for most people to buy or take 20, 30, 40, 50 grams a day. But that would be best for optimal health. And when people say, well, that’s just not natural. Well, there’s nothing natural about losing the ability to make something genetically that you should be making. And in fact, you look at general health, you look at general health, and you see a population where once you’re 40 years old, you or more or earlier, you start to prescription medicine. And by the time you’re 60, you’re on three or four or five. And we consider we meaning the world at large, consider to be good health to be lack of symptoms that are being effectively suppressed by medicine. OK. The animals live healthy until they die. OK? We live sick until we die. In general terms. So the other important point to about that is I just mentioned, what do you make the vitamin C from? Glucose. What takes down more people than anything else? Are the net than anything else. But many other things. Diabetes. We lost not only the ability to make vitamin C, but we lost the ability to use up our excess glucose and in making vitamin C. Not many wild animals injecting themselves with insulin before they die. So vitamin C is vital. It’s essential. And it’s so much more than a vitamin. Vitamin? Yes, it prevents scurvy. But most importantly, vitamin C, by virtue of its electron-donating abilities, is the most important nutrient in your body. And obviously nutrients you need large amounts of. OK. When they say what’s taking what’s too much vitamin C, I say, well, what’s too much healthy organic food? OK. Yeah, you could eat too much food, but you’re not going to harm yourself by taking in too many nutrients. They talk about the toxicity of vitamin C. Well, it’s it turns out there is no toxicity. There has never been identified a level of vitamin C intake above, which is toxic. OK, you can actually kill yourself drinking too much water, but you can’t kill yourself taking too much vitamin C, so does that make water toxic? The whole point is very few things, and vitamin C is one of them, have no defined toxicity. Everything else can be overdone. Everything else can be overdone. And finally, the big thing that they always throw the smokescreen up about vitamin C is the kidney stone. Oh, my God. The kidney stones. Well. Most kidney stones are calcium oxalate and oxalate is a breakdown product of vitamin C, but you get oxalate from many other sources as well. But they just consider how will it be taken too much oxalate. You’re going to get a lot of stones. Well, that’s not the case. It is the case. If you’re a calcium supplementer and a heavy calcium dietary intake, it takes the anion and the catiron to make the stone. Not only does it take the anion and the catiron, but one of the ways that you stop stones and prevent them from developing is to take more vitamin C because vitamin C pushes the calcium back into solution. Vitamin D, magnesium, vitamin C and vitamin K2 all work to help dissolve stones and prevent calcium deposition. So actually, vitamin C is a preventive measure against stones, not a provocative factor.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:30:26] And just before we move on, the if there is sepsis, infection, widespread infection in the body and I know you know this a lot of good research that’s been done and is being done on this as well via intravenous vitamin C also has it has a role to play. Is that could you expand on that?


Dr Thomas Levy [00:30:49] Sure. Well, I mean, intravenous vitamin C, like intravenous anything is the best way to bypass absorption problems, get your levels as high as possible, flood the extracellular space and give a lot of substrates so it can get inside the cell as well. So. So, no, you want to. When you have, for example, sepsis, you have the ultimate prooccident or oxidation state. With all the infection throughout your body, the one thing that infections do more effectively than anything else is oxidise oxidised meaning, take electrons away from molecules, rendering them oxidised, and in rendering them oxidised, you render them dysfunctional or a functional. So you oxidise an enzyme, you either stop its function completely or you’re not going from 100 per cent down to 20, 30 per cent. And that, in fact, is what disease is. Disease is oxidised biomolecules. When you have a Parkinson’s, chronic fatigue, liver disease, the affected cells, there’s still nothing going on inside that cell that is unique to that disease other than the fact that you have a unique array of biomolecules in locations and sites that are oxidised. And when you can get enough antioxidants in while stopping the influx of new prooxidants, you can actually get resolution of many diseases that are considered to be unresolvable and then improvable.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:32:32] Yes. Thanks for that, because I think our listeners will have heard the word antioxidant many times, many times in many different forms. But when we talk about antioxidant, what is it we’re trying to do? And you’ve you’ve explained that beautifully about oxidation. Just before we move on to some of those other things, the vitamin D. Now, you know, when we looked at the government warning about can you boost immune function, their concern was that vitamin D at high doses is toxic. But of course, the opposite is is a major problem globally, isn’t it? I mean, rather than high doses being toxic. A very sizeable portion of the population have vitamin D deficiency. Is that is the case?


Dr Thomas Levy [00:33:19] Yes, I, I couldn’t put a percentage on it and be completely accurate. But I would say a substantial majority of kids and adults, especially adults, as you spend more and more time inside, as you get older, rather than running around all day in the park or on the monkey bars as a kid. But as you get older, spend more time indoors, you have less and less vitamin D and definitely by the definitions of vitamin D, that evolved relative to when you get to a certain level of vitamin D, you have this particular drop in disease incidence. Using that as the mechanism by which to say, what’s your normal level? Most people are well below that. OK. So vitamin D is extremely important. And when they talk about toxicity, again, it’s like the vitamin C water example. I just said astronomical doses of vitamin D or toxic astronomic and astronomical prolonged doses. I’m talking about, you know, a hundred thousand units a day for a month. Yeah, you’re going to have problems. You should be taking five to 10 per cent of that dose. Okay. But so, like, you kill yourself with water, you could kill yourself with vitamin D. You can kill yourself with any prescription drug that you have to go.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:34:48] A lot of people do.


Dr Thomas Levy [00:34:50] Other points I made in one of my articles, when they start talking about the possible toxicity of that, well, guess what? I think it’s in the United States, but over one hundred thousand patients a year die not only from prescription drugs, but they also die from prescription drugs that are properly and properly prescribed according to the proper dosage recommendations. Now, that’s toxicity and that doesn’t apply to any vitamin or mineral that I know of. None of them are going to make you sick, much less kill you if you take them at the recommended doses. But certainly, if you go crazy and you decide to take 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 fold more than you should. Yeah, you can get it from now.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:35:37] Putting your cardiologist hat on here, because you mentioned that vitamin D deficient because as we get older, we’re spending more time indoors. And of course, we are being warned about the dangers of sunlight. Cholesterol plays a role in this as well, doesn’t it? And there’s another you know, we’ve demonised cholesterol. Would the demonisation of cholesterol have an impact on our vitamin D levels as well? The use of statins.


Dr Thomas Levy [00:36:06] Well, my goodness, I would never use a statin.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:36:11] Hang on your cardiologist, Thomas. I kind of heard that that can’t be true. That is true.


Dr Thomas Levy [00:36:18] Well, let me tell you the story of statins and cholesterol. Cholesterol is a natural antitoxin. OK. And when you have high cholesterol is associated with increased heart disease, it’s a direct reflection that you’re dealing with an increased endogenous source of toxins and you’re making more cholesterol. To help protect you against that, however, there’s always a point beyond which it’s too much. So when you start to get super high levels of cholesterol, they get into a position where they can start to deposit because they’re just well beyond the concentration rates that you want. But it doesn’t mean you’ve taken care of the toxins. So what happens is and there are many studies to show this and obviously have been completely ignored, which show that the lower your cholesterol is pushed down. In other words, artificially reduced either by diet or by medicine, the greater your chance of cancer. So this is because when you just take the cholesterol down and do nothing else, you’re leaving then endogenous sorts of toxins unopposed and it’s free to start and increase oxidative stress where ever you want in the body. And as far as cholesterol and heart disease goes, it’s also important to realise. Cholesterols an after the fact. Atherosclerosis producer.


Dr Thomas Levy [00:37:48] OK. It does not primarily start in atherosclerosis, which starts atherosclerosis is a severe vitamin C deficiency inside the blood vessel wall provoked by an accumulation of pathogens and toxins from oral pathogens. Your mouth. That set up shop in the blood vessel. They consume all the vitamin C and then because of that consumption of vitamin C, the immune system comes in with macrophages that have large amounts of vitamin C in them to try to restore the deficiency. But in the meantime, the lack of vitamin C causes the jelly-like mast membrane to become watery when it becomes watery. Cholesterol and fats are then free to pass inside the blood vessel wall. The macrophage macrophages come and consume it and you develop foam cells, which is the first histopathological side of evolving atherosclerosis, fatty streaks. That continues to evolve. But the point is, is. If you have a normal level of vitamin C in your blood vessel wall, cholesterol can never get in. So you cannot cause heart disease just with an elevated cholesterol. But the thing is, is what did I say caused elevated cholesterol? Lots of toxins. The toxins mean oxidative stress. The oxidative stress means consumption of vitamin C, you keep dividing the C level normal, which requires taking care of the pathogens, the toxins in the mouth, then you’ll do fine. Not only you do fine if you get the C up and get the toxins and infections out of your mouth, you regress atherosclerosis. Atherosclerosis is reversible.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:39:40] We did a programme with my friend, cardiologist Dr. Ross Walker. I don’t know whether you know Ross, but he’s an integrated cardiologist in Australia and he has championed for the last 20 plus years calcium coronary, calcium C.T. scores as the best kind of predictor. And it’s more nuanced than just a score. He you know, he went into more detail. And I just saw in The Australian Australasian Doctor this week or last week a breakthrough, breakthrough, coronary calcium, C.T. scores, the best predictor of heart disease. What’s your view of the coronary calcium CT score?


[00:40:18] Whatever one it is a very reliable predictor of heart disease and mortality. But what’s interesting is and this gets to what I was talking about, calcium and calcium stones and taking in a lot of calcium and supplemental calcium. I wrote a book called “Death by Calcium”. And the title is no exaggeration, calcium, along with iron and copper, what I call the three toxic nutrients. You absolutely need them in certain low, minimal levels. And above that level, they become highly toxic. One hundred per cent of all disease inside the affected cells is attended by increased levels of calcium. Increased intracelluar, higher levels of calcium. That’s what caused this increase, oxidative stress. And that is your partho physiology of all disease cells and all diseases. And until you get the calcium down and the vitamin C and magnesium up, you’re going to have disease and it will proceed to malignancy if you let the calcium level get too high. So because of this, I’m getting back to what you’re asking about the coronary calcium. It turns out when you’re depositing a lot of calcium in the coronary artery, that indicates you’re depositing calcium throughout the body, it’s not just depositing in your coronary artery and nowhere else. And it’s directly indicative of a substantial excess calcium systemically. Because of this they now have additional studies that show the coronary artery calcium score is directly correlated to all-cause mortality, not just heart attacks. But the worse your coronary artery score, the greater your chance of dying from anything. Because it’s reflective of an abnormal calcium level in all the cells in your body.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:42:20] Gosh. You know, I did the podcast with Ross. I mean, I went to school with Ross. I’ve known him for a long time, but I did a podcast with him five, six years ago. And he mentioned introduced me to the coronary calcium thing. And I’m feeling weak now, Thomas, because mine’s pretty high. But I’m gonna get back to I don’t want to digress. Another thing that you said there and then and our listeners may have listened. Missed it. I didn’t because I’m a dentist. And you said get this sorted out in the mouth because, well, you’re very tuned into that aspect of health. As a cardiologist, I mean, obviously, I am as a dentist. But to hear as a cardiologist say that, I wonder if you might just expand a little before we go on to some of the other things we can do. OK. Just expand a little on the oral health component.


Dr Thomas Levy [00:43:09] The scientific literature and I’ll give you some of the most prominent examples directly indicates that, you don’t like to say at all, so I’ll say over 95 per cent of heart attacks are directly due to dental pathogens coming from areas of infection, making their way through the venous system until they get into the arterial system and when they left ventricle contracts or high pressure and embedded into the coronary arteries, almost 100 per cent. Now, in support of that, they had a study not too long ago, five or six years ago, where they did coronary atherectomy on coronary artery disease patients atherectomy as a Roto-Rooter. They actually go in angiogram and scrape out the plaque. They did this in 38 patients and they analysed all the plaques with PCR testing for the nucleic acid characteristic of different bacteria. And they found greater than 50 species of oral bacteria in the plaque. And they found it in 38 patients. So I don’t have to go to mathematics with 38 of a 38 is pretty close to a hundred per cent. Now, what on earth is your coronary artery doing with oral pathogens throughout its lining?


Dr Thomas Levy [00:44:35] OK. Now, there are circumstances where the root canals have a lot of infection, all of them that also have a lot of asymptomatically infected teeth. This is covered in my book “Hidden Epidemic”. Everybody should be getting a 3D cone beam exam and look at for hidden infections because prior to doing that research, I thought a lot of my dentist friends thought infections hurt. Well, guess what? Most infections don’t. Greater than 95 per cent of infected teeth. You don’t know they’re infected until you do this test. And it doesn’t show up on the regular xrays and then that. So gums, teeth. And then a real biggie that I’m just discovering now going through Dr Josef Issels work back in the 50s is the tonsils. Now we think of infected tonsils as being these ugly Poch things with pus on like kids having tonsillitis. That’s fine and good. Not fine and good. That’s what kid child-like tonsillitis is. But guess what? The tonsils are always draining the teeth. So when you have an infected tooth, when you have a root canal, when you have chronically infected gums, the tonsils are draining there 24/7. And the tonsils, what I call whimpy immunological organs, they can take a small amount of infection and deal with it, but you keep it above a certain level. The tonsil turns from a protector into an infector it becomes chronically disease. The proof of this was with Dr Issels in the 1950s in Germany had men that had advanced cancer patients coming to him to be treated. He would take out all their infected teeth, of which ninety-seven per cent of them had infected teeth, and then they did pretty well on his protocol. But he found a significant number of them still got heart attacks. And now I have no idea how he got this idea. But he got the idea and he started routinely doing tonsillectomies on these patients when they came in, even though the tonsils looked completely normal. Not enlarged. No morphology. Well, not only did the heart attack stop heart attacks stop, but in Dr Issels own words, One hundred per cent of these tonsils on pathological examination was grossly infected with abscesses. So this is a major unrecognised source not only of general disease but especially heart attacks that can be easily addressed. I didn’t know when I got mine taken out. That’s another story. I wish I did. But intertonsil injections of ozone is very, very, very good at helping the tonsil deep bulk most of the infection and stop having an enormous net negative impact on your general health. Also, I found, too, that when you inject all of wall dryer’s ring, the lingual tonsill at the back of the tongue, the palantine tonsill’s the traditional areas, the tubal tonsils going up the side, the adenoids. All of these together because you don’t really have inflammation and infection of one area of the town. So without everything being infected or affected. So this is a major.. I am doing research right now to write a new book on this. But I consider this to be a super major advance. That is simple to do. It can have a profound impact on patients and not only heart attack patients, but the breast cancer patients, too.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:48:22] Well, well, you’ve said so much. I mean, I can concur with you on the fact that 95 per cent of oral infections have no pain associated with them at all. And as a practitioner who’s been in practice now for 40 years and has been using 3D x rays for the last 10, fairly routinely, I can tell you it is mind-boggling, mind-boggling what is revealed that we would otherwise have looked to 2D X-ray gone. You know, I’m not really sure. I think it’s okay. And then we go in and take a 3D X-ray. This, you know, if you cannot. I mean, look, if someone came in and had no restoration’s in their mouth and they were 20, 30, 40 years old, you know, I could argue I would say that’s unnecessary to do that unless they had a serious illness,.


Dr Thomas Levy [00:49:13] Unless they had a serious illness and diabetes or high blood pressure. Yeah. Even if they’re 30, they need it.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:49:19] But if I look at a panoramic X-ray and I see a history of dental treatment, it’s something that we are using routinely. Totally agree with that. Anyway, we couldn’t resist Thomas getting you to say something about that. But let’s go back to “COVID19. How can I cure thee? Let me count the ways.” And we’ve talked about vitamin C, D, zinc. You’ve mentioned magnesium. You’ve touched on ozone and how, as you said, injecting ozone. Tell us a bit more about how ozone is administered or used in this context.


Dr Thomas Levy [00:49:56] Well, most practitioners take blood out and then inject the ozone, mix it in the blood and that with a blood thinner heparin and then reinject it. And this is highly effective. I must say this, though, for probably over 100 years or maybe hundreds of years, the Germans used ozone and they did direct IV injection of ozone gas and they never had any problem. But in the United States, we have a lot of cowboys. OK. And because of that, the United States Ozone Association just says never, never, never inject ozone directly, intravenously. And that’s probably good advice because you’ll have a few cowboys that will go crazy, exert no effort or protocol on the rate of introduction or concentration. You’ll get into trouble. But Germany has established that it’s quite safe to do it that way as well. But you don’t need to do. The thing that’s good about that, though, is you don’t need a lot of extra equipment. OK, just a butterfly in your ozone machine done at the appropriate dose, at the appropriate rate. You can do treatment very quickly, very easily. But let me tell everybody, I’m not recommending that, OK? I’m just telling you, it’s been done that way. It’s highly effective. The main problem with ozone is access. Finding someone that has the equipment is familiar with the procedure. But as far as. COVID or any other virus goes. There certainly is nothing that’s more directly antivirucidal, directly virucidal. Then also, I mean, you introduce ozone to any pathogen, that pathogen is oxidised and ruptured and it’s gone. OK. Ozone is the most absolute pathogen killing agent there is. And to that end, probably by similar mechanisms. Hydrogen peroxide, ozone, even hyperbaric oxygen. OK. All of these things. I think ultimately have the same common pathways by which they dispense with pathogens so that ozone is great. If you have it, you should have no more problems. If you have a practitioner that uses ozone. You don’t need to get worried about dealing with your Coronavirus. If that person is willing to treat you. But it’s so much easier to prevent. And it’s so much easier to treat by much simpler mechanisms that we can talk about.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:52:42] Which leads us to this hydrogen peroxide story, which is readily available. And you talk about it in many forms but as a nebuliser as well, can you tell us a bit about hydrogen peroxide and how it would be or could be administered?


Dr Thomas Levy [00:52:56] Well, you know, this interesting I started all of this on my own, and then I found out after the fact that lots of people have been using it around the world for many years. I guess I’m just the first one to come along and work with it and have a big mouth and get the word out and write articles. So I’m not saying all these ideas are mine. But for the most part. They came to me without the knowledge that so many other people have come before me. However, I started all of this because I was writing my magnesium book and I ran about 10 months ago and I ran across something that talked about nebulised magnesium chloride for respiratory problems. This that and the other. And I, I started thinking about that. I just never thought about nebulisation before. I never thought about it. So I branched off. I started looking at that. And then. I knew hydrogen peroxide, without knowing much about it, was completely non-toxic. And so I said, well, let’s talk about work on hydrogen peroxide, dealing with colds and flu. I experimented on my wife. She she woke up one day and she looked miserable. I mean, just like the cold or flu just hit her overnight. And I mixed up a little bit of peroxide, DMSO Vitamin C and magnesium chloride and had a nebuliser. And I mean, fifteen minutes later, her eyes were wide open and she was how do I say. And what happened to me? I mean, she was completely well at that point in time when she was 50 per cent better by the middle of the day. Seventy-five per cent better by the next morning. And then repeat, the treatment and she was fine the next day. I mean, she was so that told me, hey, there’s something going on here. So with that, I expanded. Since then on family, friends, I’ve seen this reliably resolve colds and flu. And I’ve had reports back. I mean, I write these articles, people send me e-mails. I mean, my friend in the Philippines says he’s been regularly curing COVID with hydrogen peroxide nebulisation. So now we come out with this. And, of course, all the naysayers. Oh, President Trump talked about inhaling disinfectant. You’re a lunatic this that and the other. Well, as it turns out. Your lungs. The epithelial cells lining your lungs naturally secrete and express hydrogen peroxide on their surface 24/7 so that every time you inhale pathogens, that your body’s natural mechanism to keep those pathogens from taking hold. Furthermore, when you do start to get an infection and an inflammation in your lungs, the amount of hydrogen peroxide measurable in your breath and it’s measurable in your breath at all times increases substantially as you get infected. Combine that with the fact that after hydrogen peroxide kills a pathogen, it breaks down into water and oxygen. OK. Combined with that, the fact that hydrogen peroxide is produced in every cell in your body and it’s produced in the extracellular fluid. And when it does kill a pathogen inside the cell. Guess what, it’s also doing its oxygenating the cell. So in every sense of the word, by virtue of his breakdown products, it’s actually a natural storage form to release oxygen to areas that have been previously infected. So what better to do for a microenvironment than to kill all the pathogens and then oxygenate it and give it water? So in every sense of the word then nebulising with hydrogen peroxide is augmenting the body’s natural antibiotic reaction. It’s almost a travesty to call it an antibiotic, you know, anti-pathogen agent. I wouldn’t want anybody to think something prescription is the natural way that your body deals with viruses, bacteria, fungi, you name it, just like the ozone. There’s nothing that peroxide won’t take out. And then there’s this wonderful synergy. Between peroxide and my favourite vitamin, vitamin C.. OK, inside the cell. The vitamin C supplies an electron to ferry, turning into Farris and the Farris donates to the hydrogen peroxide, the peroxide produces hydroxyl radical. And you kill pathogen’s. Hydroxyl radicals, the most oxidising, potent oxidising agent known to man. Then outside of the cell What is vitamin C do? Vitamin C will go in mechanism produces or causes to be produced an enormous amount of peroxide. So in many ways, we talk about the anti-pathogen effect of vitamin C. But vitamin C is not really the entire pathogenic agent. It’s vitamin C using the vehicle of hydrogen peroxide to kill the pathogens. So and since then, I’ve gotten so much positive feedback. I mean, I have people thanking me from around the world. They’ve gotten rid of. They said, you know, I’ve had these chronic lung problems and I’m feeling better than I’ve ever felt in my life. But just follow the guidelines, just like ozone. Don’t be a cowboy. Follow the guidelines and it’s completely harmless.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:58:54] And for our listeners who may be a novice, let’s go. Let’s just take a step back for a moment and say ok tell me a protocol or how that is nebulising hydrogen peroxide 101. I mean, I have heard the word nebulising, it’s obviously about breathing in, but how does one actually do it?


[00:59:14] First of all, I’m not afraid to give out by email, OK? I make it readily available. The e mail is televy@yahoo.com . And I don’t do consults, but I can answer your questions about the things I’ve written about and I can actually supply a printed protocol. What in a nutshell is very effective prophylactically. It’s very effective therapeutically if you’re in a pinch and you’re already getting some symptoms. Runny nose, sore throat. I mean, don’t go looking for food grade hydrogen peroxide. Just get the regular three percent over the counter bottle. It works just fine. And you nebulise either the three percent directly or you dilute with water down to the point where you tolerate it. What I mean by tolerate, I mean you get a little burning or stinging and you’ll eventually get a little soreness in the throat. Those are also anticipated effects of the hydrogen peroxide. After they destroy the pathogens, then they have to work on something. So they start oxidising in the nose, they oxidise in the throat. And that’s your sign that that’s you you’ve taken a high enough dose and you’ve gotten where you want to go, what where you want to go. And the rest of that is self limited and disappears. And a half an hour to an hour, some people are less tolerant than others. So if you can tolerate it, I think it’s good to deal with that because you’re going to get a potent effect quicker. But, people have documented positive effects from peroxide at two percent, one percent, a tenth of a percent and lower. OK, it’s just that you might not get the effect as rapidly, but there’s nobody I know of that doesn’t can’t tolerate peroxide at some dose. But for most people, especially if they already have a ton of pathogens in their oral and nasal pharynx, it’ll be perfectly comfortable at three percent. OK. As I put it, my writings never nebulise anything that makes it more difficult to breathe. Quite the contrary. It should be perfectly tolerable or actually making you feel better. They’ve actually have studies that show that hydrogen peroxide immunisation will increase your oxygen levels. And not surprisingly, since I told you that, it breaks down to water and oxygen. So but once it kills pathogens, goes through the biofilm, knocks out the pathogens and you’re still nebulising more ,well, then it’s going to start to do some oxidation on normal mucosal tissue and become irritated. So you do that most of the time that’s going to do it one or two treatments. Also important with Corona, with Coronavirus or COVID, it is prophylaxis, especially as a dentist. What I mean is anybody more exposed to airborne pathogens than the dentist? OK. I would have a machine in the office or the portable or regular. And at the end of each day, no matter how good I felt, I at least nebulised for a couple of minutes. I mean, if you’re lazy. OK, you can wait. You get symptoms, but it’s so easy to nebulised one or two minutes and then you have not got anything that they blew into your face over the course of the day. Firstly so let’s say a patient comes in and they’ve already got a cold introducing them to nebulisation. Reschedule them a week later and they’ll be cold free by the time they come back.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:02:59] Look, we’re going to we’ll definitely have links to your website and that printed protocol, which will I’m going to go to. I’m gonna get that as soon as we finish this conversation, Thomas. But, you know, listen, as I’m listening to you, just kind of reminded of that so-called expert that gets up and says there is no evidence to support the use of vitamin C, D that it does, because actually, you know, what do you have to know? It gets back to how cells function. And isn’t it much easier to write a prescription? Now, one, I wanted to move on because, you know, the beauty of this protocol and actually, I would say the beauty of an integrative doctor’s approach to medicine is that they take the best of what is available. Sure. And here we have. I looked down this list and you’ve got dexamethasone, you’ve got Pulmicort, you’ve got hydroxychloroquine. These are medications. So you are not saying pharmaceutical products are crap, just stick with vitamins. You’re just saying let’s find out what the best available is and put our egos out of the way.


Dr Thomas Levy [01:04:08] I like to stay, at least for myself. I follow science-based medicine. If there’s science supporting a drug, I’ll use it. The science supporting a nutrient a vitamin or mineral. I’ll use it, I will say. And I’ve often said that modern medicine, contemporary medicine has a lot of crap and a little bit of good stuff. And complementary integrative medicine has a lot of good stuff and a little bit of crap. OK. But there’s no manual for you to go through as a motivated, intelligent person. You research stuff. And when you find something that seems to be true and is resonating, well, then you go online and you try to find two or three other sources that support that. I mean, if you just go to your doctor or your dentist, all right. And say, here’s my body, take care of me, well, then I’m not going to say you’re going to get what you deserve, but you’re going to get what you allowed to happen. OK. You have to be the ultimate consumer in pursuit of your optimal health. I can’t make it any clearer than that.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:05:26] Look, you know, that is an overriding message of this podcast, my book, everything I do, and that is about personal empowerment. You have to take it. You have to take responsibility for your own health. It’s just too important to leave to anybody else but take the best of what is available now. You know, hydroxychlorinquine is a point in the case here isn’t it, because it’s been around for a long time. It’s, I think, 30 cents a tablet. And yet it has been shown in combination with I think you mentioned zinc. And I’ve also heard, I think you also mentioned zithromycin, you know that. Tell us a bit about the combo and the effectiveness of. Tell us a bit more about.


Dr Thomas Levy [01:06:11] I honestly don’t know how the zithromycin factors in that just was part of a protocol. So I can’t give you whatever the physiology is that’s working there. But the chloroquine or the hydroxylchloroquine and the zinc is very straightforward. I mean, zinc is very difficult to get inside yourself if you just supplement zinc on a regular basis. You’ll be better off than somebody who doesn’t. But you can still be pretty low on zinc inside yourself, especially if you’ve had a diet that’s predominately zinc deficient. OK. Early on, I saw a bunch of countries that appeared to be much lower and called it particularly Colombia, where my wife is from, where I spent time down there and I was just learning about zinc. I said, well, let me look at what zinc is in the diet. And I looked at the top 10 foods for zinc and like eight of them were in the average Colombian diet on a daily basis. OK. I actually think this is strictly an opinion on my part that the individuals in the United States obviously, they make a big deal when a 25-year-old college athlete gets struck down and then he’s in the ICU and he’s got he’s got a ventilator going they say wow. Why did this happen? I think it happened because he had a uniquely zinc-deficient diet. And no matter what else you did, if you don’t get the zinc in there, you’re going to have a difficult time knocking out the virus, especially, of course, if you’re not taking the C and you’re not doing the hydrogen peroxide and you don’t have any ozone and you’re just getting traditional supportive medicine. Traditional supported medicine only go so far and not so far at all.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:07:58] Now, you mentioned those eight foods. Go on give us some of the foods that are high and zinc just for our listener and me to.


Dr Thomas Levy [01:08:06] Avocados. OK. I mean, Avocados every day, every day, every day. They’re big and they’re fresh. And I’m talking about Colombia. All the meats, pork, chicken, beef. Some of the common cereals, oatmeal. OK. And somebody actually the one that has the most zinc and is not that commonly eaten. And that’s oysters, but very common foods. Kind of. Oh. Another staple of the Colombian diet, which is the cheapest food they have there. So everybody eats it. Lentils and beans in general, beans in general. And lentils are very high.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:08:57] Yeah. Yeah. You know, I saw a presentation that said the combination of just hydroxychloroquine and zinc reduce death rates by about 80 per cent. And and and when the zithromycin was added, I think they’re doing this in France as well. It was up to 95 per cent. But anyway, I love the way you include this. You’ve also included Pulmicort in their, Budesonide. What’s your saying? May improve. May prevent, improve. May cure.


Dr Thomas Levy [01:09:32] Well, it’s corticosteroid and one thing that doesn’t get effort, while I don’t know, that doesn’t get emphasised as most people don’t know it. So you cannot emphasise enough that if you don’t know about it. But. One of the primary functions I say maybe the primary function of the clinical impact of steroids is an avidly promote the uptake of vitamin C into the cell.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:10:02] What a statement just rolled off your tongue, but is so profound. That’s so profound. Wow. So, I mean, wouldn’t it be great if people who are on these puffers, inhalers, steroids are also supplementing with vitamin C?


Dr Thomas Levy [01:10:19] And there’d be much less steroid dependence because the steroids would have a whole lot more effect if there was an adequate pool of iodine to see in your body to push it into the shelves.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:10:30] Yeah. Yeah. Thomas, look, we’ve covered so much great territory. Let’s take a step back now because we’re coming to the end of it. But how do you see this all panning out? You’ve given this a lot of thought. And you’re right they’re solving problems. How do you see it pan out?


Dr Thomas Levy [01:10:49] Well, there’s the medical aspect, there’s the political aspect And unfortunately, they’re intertwined. I say we need to keep fighting because I have some possibilities, I’m working with a congressman. I hope I can give some of this information disseminated wider because I made the point with my congressman friend. I won’t name them. Is that, even though things are getting better now, they still want to vaccinate all of us and we need to get something like the hydrogen peroxide with the C and everything else out there because I hate to say this. We’ve got more pandemic’s coming in and we got to be able to do something more than put frickin masks and cower inside our houses, destroy our lifestyle, have our businesses and our livelihoods go out of business while people with questionable intent go around ruining our lives. So so it’s it’s a medicine fight. It’s an independence fight. It’s a political fight. But. Right now. In the United States, I still have freedom of speech. I hope the right side gets elected so that I continue to have my freedom of speech. But things can go downhill very rapidly if we start going toward socialism.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:12:27] Thomas, thank you so much for joining us today. We’ll have links to your website, your books, which are prolific. You’re a prolific writer. And thank you so much for sharing your expertise with us today.


Dr Thomas Levy [01:12:39] My pleasure, Ron. Have a good day, sir. Take care.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:12:46] So there it is. I mean, is that food for thought or what? In answer to the question and I’ll share the screen again with you. Given what we’ve just spoken about, this is a government health side. This is an important question for us to be asking. And it is a question that I’m going to be pursuing in these next few podcasts because it is critical. And as Thomas said, this is not the only pandemic we are going to face. And if this is how we are facing a pandemic. Well, I think we can all agree life is going to be very different and not in a particularly positive way.


[01:13:33] But this really disturbs me. I can’t tell you how much this. Well, I can I’m telling you, this disturbs me. This is what disturbs me. This is what disturbs me most. “We are a government funded service providing quality approved health information and advice.” I find that statement breathtaking and I have rarely in my podcasting time made strong statements. But this is a really disturbing, disturbing thing.


[01:14:10] Australian Government. Federal Health. ACTU. New South Wales. Northern Territory. South Australia. Tasmania. And Western Australia. I’m not sure why the Victorian Health Department, isn’t here? But if the answer to this question is can you boost your immune system against the coronavirus? “Do vitamin pills protect you from the coronavirus? No.” Now, given everything we have just heard from a cardiologist with over 40 years of experience who actually took it upon himself to take a law degree, which I always thought was, wow, that’s kind of interesting, Thomas, that you should have done that. But given what I know is is occurring to anybody that puts their hand up and says, hey, this is there is so much more we can do. And let me be clear, I think the Australian government and the New Zealand governments have actually, I believe, done a great job in addressing this early on when we didn’t know what was happening, when we didn’t know what we were facing. You know, okay. We’re thinking that we were going to be overwhelmed in the in the in our hospital system, et cetera, et cetera. I think, you know, well done. And the low death rates are a credit to them. I think the idea I think some real positives have come out of this in terms of a) we have a lot more focus on washing our hands and in the 21st century isn’t it interesting that the best health advice you get, given all the technology, all the advancements in modern medicine, the incredible amount of money that’s been poured into research and development? Wash your hands is still the best we can do. And I agree with that. And cover your face when you cough and sneeze. I totally get that. And don’t go onto public transport and don’t go to work when you’ve got a cold or flu or a COVID symptoms. I totally get that, too. And is there a vaccination? Well, you know, I think vaccinations. I’m not an anti vaxer. I think vaccinations have done some really positive things. I went to school with several kids that wore callipers because they suffered from polio. And polio is just not an issue anymore. And so, you know, I think that’s as you know, I don’t need to be convinced of that. Although when my daughters were born rather 34 and 30 years ago, in the first 18 months of their lives, they had 11 vaccinations. And now in the first 18 months of life, you get 27. Well, does that mean if we could only inject 100 vaccines, we’d be even healthier? I don’t think the statistics have borne that out. So I have. look, if they come up with a vaccine, great. But what happens when the next pandemic comes up? What happens when the coronavirus mutates? Why haven’t we got a H1N1 and the SARS 1 virus and the MERS. We haven’t got vaccines for that yet, although there are a lot more resources being poured into this one. So, you know, vaccines come along great. But what happens when the next pandemic comes along? And I believe integral, an integrated approach with the best of what is available in medicine is utilised. And this is what I loved about today’s episode that Thomas took as he said, there’s an awful lot of crap in modern medicine, some very good and in complementary medicine there’s a lot of good and some crap. And what I am trying to champion is a collaborative, inclusive and proactive approach to that question. Can you boost your immune system against this virus and any others? And the answer is yes, most certainly you can. And we’re going to be pursuing some of that. So sorry. Got a bit wound up there today, but I think that it deserves that kind of response.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:18:10] I hope this finds you well. And until next time. This is Dr Ron Ehrlich. Well.


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