Good Byte 4: Origin of Energy – Aaron Mckenzie

Aaron Mckenzie joins me from Origin of Energy. He has always been such an inspiration to me and in this chat, we speak about the opportunity in what the world is facing now, how we can be of service as well as the diet he is following and being the best you can be.

Podcast Transcript

Dr Ron Ehrlich: Hello, and welcome to The Good Byte. My name is Dr Ron Ehrlich, and today I am joined by my good friend, Aaron Mackenzie. Aaron, welcome.

Aaron Mckenzie: Hey, Ron. How are you?

Dr Ron Ehrlich: I’m well. What an interesting question to be asking people nowadays. It’s a throw away line in the past, how are you, and now it’s a really serious question.

Aaron Mckenzie: People are answering now.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: It’s a really serious question. Tell me what’s been happening in your life? What have you been doing? You’ve been doing so many amazing things. Share it with our listeners.

Aaron Mckenzie: Well, I guess, obviously, running a gym and a training studio and that being my primary source of income and way of connecting with people, and doing what I do, having that stopped is a big shift and for good reason. Obviously, we’re all in this situation together and then just trying to figure out, well, what can I do every day?

I think it’s easy for us to focus on what we can’t do and get caught up in that, and get caught watching the news every day, and just waiting for something external to give us the okay, that everything’s going to be all right. But my mind just won’t let me do that. It’s okay. I’ve got to be proactive. What can I do, myself? What have I got within my control to make a difference, and how can I control my own variables?

So, it’s getting healthy myself is primary, but then trying to teach other people to have that perspective, and focus on themself, and use this as an opportunity to reset, to say, “Okay, things have been going along okay, but we can do it better.” And this is just a wake-up call to say, “Let’s get healthier. Let’s get more connected to our food supply. Let’s look after our bodies. Let’s connect with the people that we love, and let’s slow down a bit. Let’s do more work from home, and just spend more time eating good food, not racing around, less time commuting.”

Aaron Mckenzie: I think there are just so many positives and no one is going to say that what’s happening is okay. It’s awful what’s happening in hospitals. This whole situation is awful. But the fact that the whole world is just stopped, it’s just proving that we can do this. We can make choices, and we can make a better world. We can enjoy this life more, and we can help people get healthier. We can do all of that. It’s within our control. And it shouldn’t have taken something this bad for us to realize.

But I think all of us are starting to understand now that this was quite… Not as bad as it could have been. It could have been much worse. It could’ve been something just as contagious, but also very aggressive. And if that was the case, we’d be stuffed because it’s still already a challenge to keep up with it.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: Yeah. Some horrendous statistics coming out from overseas. But it’s interesting because I kind of have felt even in a… If you thought of the most optimistic environmental scientists in the world, who has been talking about reducing carbon emissions and how important that was, I don’t think any, even the most optimistic scientists, could have ever imagined the earth was going to get this kind of rest. It’s just incredible to think that. I saw a meme, I post-

Aaron Mckenzie: It is

Dr. Ron Ehrlich: Yeah. I posted on my Instagram that I saw this meme which said, “Mother Nature has sent us to our room to think about what we’ve done,” and I added to that we’re all going to come out of that room different. There is no question.

Aaron Mckenzie: No.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: The question is, will Mother Nature happy with what we’ve decided? While I’m kind of also a bit of an optimist as well, that while the world is healing, I think this is an incredible opportunity to think about what kind of changes we want to incorporate, what we learn from this experience and actually, an opportunity to get healthy.

I mean, you’ve got the opportunity to sleep now if you can. I know I tend to wake up a little bit in the middle of the night and wonder whether I’m part of a science fiction movie or not, but generally, I’m not sleeping too badly. I’m certainly getting enough sleep. I always make that a priority. But, it’s just a case of slowing down. It’s just slowing down. That’s been the biggest thing for me. I’ve just really slowed down.

Aaron Mckenzie: Yeah, I’ve found the same. I mean, I’ve gotten up for the last 20 years at 5:30 in the morning to teach people, to train people at 6:00 AM, Monday to Saturday, 20 years. Now I can get up at6:30, it’s…

Dr Ron Ehrlich: Wow, big sleep in. Well, as you know, the first time you and I met, and the first time we worked out together, I wish I could say we worked. The first time you supervised me working out, let’s put it that way, was around, I’ve thought about it today because I knew we were talking, was 2006, and you were in your apartment where your gym was, you ran your classes and your workshops from there. And honestly, so now we’re 14 years down the track. I got into a bad habit with you. I’ve got up at 5:30 in the morning, to get to that six o’clock class and that stayed with me ever since.

Aaron Mckenzie: Yeah. It’s just beautiful.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: Yeah. Yeah. And we’re going to do a workout tomorrow together. Wow. I’m just-

Aaron Mckenzie: Can’t wait, Ron. It’s going to be awesome, and do it live and share it with everyone. My big thing with what I’m doing now, I just made the decision because I had a lot of clients who were struggling with this situation. Obviously, a lot of people, economically, their businesses, they’re finished, or they’ve lost their jobs, and they want to keep moving. And my initial thought was, “Okay, well, how can I do something to help these people that will help other people at the same time,” because they’re not the only ones.

So, I kind of want to start doing what I do, which I’ve been doing for 20 years, and to just make it live, and make it free, and make it available on Facebook and YouTube every day. So, people can get this habit Monday to Saturday, do this workout with me, and I’ll train with them and share that experience.

Aaron Mckenzie: And if they’re stuck at home and they’re just figuring out, “What can I do with the time that I have?”My big thing is just create a routine, every day. Get good sleep every night, have two good sit-down meals with the family every day, do 60 minutes of exercise, and then use the time in a day to obviously, be grateful to be alive, and be connecting with your family, and all of those things. But to transition, transition into a new career, or a new business, it’s one for the new world that we’re going into.

And if the business you had before, the career you had before, now is the time to start that business that you were scared to start, because you’ve got some time. And I’m just trying to just motivate, inspire people to go into either health coaching, or into this whole farm to table supply chain.

Those two things I feel are the most important things that each of us can get involved in, right now. And that may be just supporting good growers and buying food for and then to cook at home. And it may be just getting healthy yourself, so the people around you are inspired by that. But, it may be going into becoming an online coach.

It may be going into becoming a delivery driver for a good farm to get it to people because people can’t get food now and they’re a bit scared to go out. And if you were ever considering, because I’d been on the fence about going online for a while. Because I’ve got a good face to face business I’ve had for a long time, and this is like the biggest kick in my pants to say “Make it happen,” and if you can’t make it happen now with all that demand out there-

Dr Ron Ehrlich: We have got a captive audience. We know that.

Aaron Mckenzie: This is the time, for all coaches, anyone that’s had an inkling of becoming a coach and inspiring, or starting an online business, or starting a YouTube channel, something. Now’s the time to inspire the masses because you and me can’t deal with 8 billion people. We can try, we can do our best, but certain people respond to me, certain people respond to you, and we just need more help and now’s the time.

And if you can create something, you only have to have X amount of clients with a small amount coming in from those people, and you’ve got a decent business model. And it may be that you are just going into that supply chain from farm to table when you’re helping farmers, or you decide “Okay, I’m going to do it. My business has gone, it’s no longer going to be coming back because the way the world’s changed and now I can get that farm, my dream job,” or whatever it is, and just get involved, somehow.

I just see those as if… Maybe that seems a little bit distant for some people still, but this just seems like the opportunity for people to get involved in what the real solutions are, because that to me, good food, movement, family, connection, slowing down, not travelling all over the planet, flying everywhere, these are beautiful things.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: Yeah. Well, I think it’s really interesting because, for the last 40 or so years, we’ve been encouraged to be good consumers. The health of an economy is always… The health of the society is always measured by the health of the economy. Are we producing? Is consumer confidence there? What are the retail prices? What are the retail sales? What are the returns, the…

I mean, I remember a time before, we didn’t get in every news cycle, the Dow Jones. I used to think Dow Jones was David Jones’s younger brother when I first heard it, or I used to think, I thought the FTSE 500 was a dance until I realized it was the British stock market. And now every single day we’re supposed to be tuned into what the stock market’s doing.

Aaron Mckenzie: And it’s all just numbers on a page.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: Well, I think-

Aaron Mckenzie: For me, it’s just a concept. Market speculation. It’s throwing, these numbers are just changing so rapidly. But if you think about it, well, the world’s, and besides people being inside, the resources are still there.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: Yeah. Yeah, well, I’ve heard that in Australia, we actually produce enough food to feed 75 million people, so we’re not going to go hungry, that’s for sure.

Aaron Mckenzie: Not at all. It’s a big issue.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: We’ve kind of been encouraged to be good consumers. We haven’t really been encouraged to be good citizens. And I think that once… I think there are some basic issues and the issues are, do you have a roof over your head? That’s a real issue. Will you have food on the table tomorrow, or next week? That’s a real issue. And are you healthy? That’s a real issue. And hopefully, you have a job when all of this finishes. But it is an opportunity to focus on being a good citizen, and being a good citizen, we kind of consume this seemingly cheap food and consume these seemingly cheap commodities, but when we start to factor in the cost of what’s going on now, none of that is cheap.

Aaron Mckenzie: I mean, America is centre stage, and mass consumers of bad foods and they’re getting smashed by this, and it’s awful. But it’s such a wake-up call, let’s hope. Refocus.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: Yeah. It’s also interesting that we’ve… Trying to shut down all these government services, and we don’t need government, we don’t. And as soon as something wrong happens, it’s the government to step in. So, we need to… But listen, I wanted to ask you, I know you’re doing two meals a day. That rolled off your tongue very easily. Just share with us what your protocols are because I know you’re going carnivore, too.

Aaron Mckenzie: Yeah, I did that. I’ve done the full hard-core eight months, just lamb and beef, nothing else. And it was amazing, Ron. I was still questioning it, and even when I first heard about it a couple of years ago, when I really thought about it, I thought, “It’s a bit crazy, it’s a bit much. We still need plants, we still need…” And the more I got into it, just the better I felt.

And it did so much for me in terms of my health. It challenged all those ideas of we need X amount of vegetables, and obviously, you and me, we don’t have any vegetable oils or grain and seed oils, and we’re away from the processed food. So, we’re doing better than most people with that. But there’s still this kind of thing about plants being really healthy for people, and I’m not denying those things aren’t there.

But they’re a double-edged sword. In all the traditional methods of food preparation, the culinary arts are a method of making plants more digestible. And all those efforts, are being… Since the industrial revolution, whatever, with just trying to speed everything up and we’re ignoring a lot of those things that we know from Weston A. Price Foundation and what they promote, soaking, sprouting, fermenting, slow cooking, all these things that allow things to become digestible, especially when it comes to plants. And once you start looking at lectins, phytates, you look salicylates and histamines, oxalates.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: FODMAPs, oxalates. It’s bloody dangerous, I mean vegetables are dangerous.

Aaron Mckenzie: And the thing is, and it got me and I’ve been, as you know, I’ve been fairly healthy and someone that’s lived a fairly healthy life. I’ve pushed myself a bit hard physically, training, and kind of had that approach of trying to make my body more muscular, and was addicted to it, and was just attached to that for a long time. And I let that go.

So, my weight’s around 80 kilos, I’m strong, I’m healthy, lean. But, that drive to overeat or whatever, probably did some damage and I ended up with an autoimmune condition. I’m very conscious of my health and I’ve still got that. And then if you look around and look at the masses, it’s scary because most people just think, oh, they’re just getting old and there’s nothing they can do.

About three years ago, I started to get psoriasis around here, and up in my eyebrows, and all of that. And then I said, “Okay, well what can I do about this?” So I’m going through, okay, take out the FODMAPs. Okay, rebuild the gut microbiota. Take out excess histamines. Take out oxalates.

And I did the whole autoimmune paleo protocol, tried all of those things. And it improved, without a doubt, it definitely helped. But it wasn’t until I went, and even though I did kind of all the first time, probably about a year and a half ago, and when I did that, I kept chicken, I kept pork, and I was having eggs, and I was still eating all… I had a little bit… I had butter, had ghee, had a bit of dairy and I was kind of doing everything, and it wasn’t until I went strict with just ruminants, just beef and lamb, that the switch occurred. All I did, my experiment was I just got half a body of beef, Dom got it for me, Ethical Farmers, awesome.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: We’ll have links to Ethical Farmers and yes, awesome.

Aaron Mckenzie: I think the work he’s doing. And so, I got myself a chest freezer, I got all my stainless steel containers and I wanted to find the optimal way to fuel myself, nourish myself, and support the environment. I can get a quarter body of beef in my chest freezer, and the stainless steel containers. I got it at that point, and now it’s gone up in price, it was $12,50 a kilo, and I’ve lived off 800 grams of meat, including organs and fat, per day, for eight months.

And it was probably a little bit less because I was having to lessen what I would optimally have, but I just wanted to stick to it and see what happened. So two, 400-gram meals a day, including all the fat, all the organs, the bones, everything. Making bone broth once a week and doing that, and having all the testicles, liver, heart, spleen, all the organs. I was able to get all the lamb organs, brain… And just having that much per day, twice a day, and just wanted to see what was going to happen.

I did my blood work before and after, and all my blood work improved. The only thing, which I made a video on which people can watch, is on my cholesterol, which went through the roof. You and I both know there’s a lot of deeper truths to that and the situation. I got my coronary artery calcium score down, which was zero, so this is zero calcium improvement.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: No, I won’t share my one with you. That’s a bit…

Aaron Mckenzie: You indulge a little bit more than I have in the last 20 years since.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: Make that 40 or 50 years, but nevermind.

Aaron Mckenzie:

A couple of drinks at the dinner table. Yeah, and I’ve got zero there, even though I’ve had a very high saturated fat diet, 20 plus years, so my body is very healthy. But doing this, all my inflammatory markers, everything, just improved. Not that they were high, they weren’t out of control with this autoimmune condition, I think because I have been so healthy, it’s just keeping it under control.

So, and now I’ve discovered because of this Corona thing, I started making bone broth a lot more and having it every day, and then I figured out that the histamines are an issue for me because I had this, really, six months of no symptoms, psoriasis, and then all of a sudden coming back, and I’m thinking, “Maybe it’s the stress, maybe it’s this situation.” And then I put it together and I figured out, well, I’m just having a lot more bone broth, and slow cook meats, and things like that.

So now, I’m ordered my pressure cooker. It should come today. So, I’m going to switch over to that and experiment with that, see if taking the histamines down improves at all. But that-

Dr Ron Ehrlich: So, slow cooking releases more histamines?

Aaron Mckenzie: Or you create more histamines.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: Creates them.

Aaron Mckenzie: Because I do these long slow cooks. I use the slow cooker, which is great for 99% of people that don’t have a condition like mine, it’s heaven. It was heaven for me as long as I kept it within a tolerable amount. I’ll get something, take it out of the freezer, put it in the slow cooker, and the next day at lunch, it’s perfect, have a beautiful meal. And then I save up my bones in a freezer, and then I’d just put them in there, and then I do a 24 to 48-hour broth, just add half a cup of vinegar in there and water, no salt, so that way you get a bit of pull on the bones, and this makes amazing broths.

But the problem is, is that time, the time that the histamines have been able to form, or been created. That was hitting me. So now I’ve just… Yeah, the pressure cooker’s great because you can do the same type of slow cooking, or get the same result as a slow cooker in a quarter of the time, or a third of the time, same with a broth. I’m excited to experiment with that and try it.

In terms of a… I don’t disagree with people eating chicken altogether. I just think the scale in which we are doing it…

Dr Ron Ehrlich: Yes. It used to be a luxury thing, didn’t it?

Aaron Mckenzie: Literally, it’s a once a week deal. People are eating it every day, and we’ve got 8 billion people on the planet, and we’ve got, I think, we’re around 60 billion chickens, which is just stupid. There’s no reason. And then of that 60 billion, X amount of egg layers, which I agree with egg layers because I think that’s great, but not on the scale that we’re consuming. And my grandparents had the backyard chooks summer farm and fed them all the veggie scraps, and they have these amazing eggs and that’s great.

But when we’re ruining the earth, ruining ecosystems, just to make chickens and make eggs, to grow all this grain in a monoculture system that is just raping the earth, and just putting all that carbon out the atmosphere. You can do a no-kill kind of system, but not on a scale that we’re doing. We can’t get the same production. Even Joel Salatin, he gets his grains from somewhere else and obviously, he’s pulling in more than is going out, but it’s still not the ideal. If we want to reverse it, we need to regenerate the planet. So, we’ve got to think about what we’re consuming. And chicken, I just can’t agree with. I just think of-

Dr Ron Ehrlich: And pork?

Aaron Mckenzie: Pork is the same thing. You look at the inputs, or the grain inputs, because they’re omnivores, they’re not herbivores. And they need that to have a healthy life. So, I just don’t think it’s ethical to produce that much pork. I mean, no, no, let’s look at it differently. I think it is more than possible. It’s just, let’s look at every household in the Western world.

They’re throwing out two-thirds of the foods that they’re buying. Now that could be going to backyard chooks, could be going to the pigs and it wouldn’t be an issue. And if all that food as well, obviously, it’s coming from conventional farming. So, it’s hard. What’s the optimal decision that if we all made, we can turn this thing around as quick as possible?

And then what’s the practical way in which we could do it, to actually make a dent in this, that people are going to go along with? But to me, the most optimal thing is backyard veggies, add the fruit trees in the backyard, or just a community garden plot on every block. And you have the chickens there, have the pigs there, and they’re eating all of our food scraps and all of our waste, and anything that we put, any veggie that a human doesn’t want to eat because it’s gone past its time, or whatever, or we didn’t pick it in time. That’s food for them and it’s awesome.

Aaron Mckenzie: And I’m even… Like the whole dairy thing, I just… Obviously, certain amount of people tolerate it very well and I used to be one of those people. If you remember, I was in that bodybuilding phase, three litres of raw milk every day, and I tolerated it very well. Maybe I did some damage from doing that, doing the 30 raw eggs a day, but I built mass and build my body up doing that. But now I’m thinking, obviously a lot of people get an inflammatory condition from it.

But also, that milk is for the cow. Obviously, the breeds that we have, we’ve got domesticated breeds to make more milk than they can feed their calves, but there’s still the whole model. Its not what we need. If you look at the optimal sunlight conversion into food, if we’re taking that milk, that milk’s better to feed young calves to grow them up to full size, so we can eat the meat.

It doesn’t make sense for us, mathematically, as an ecological healing system, to consume that much dairy. It’s like chicken. It’s not that we shouldn’t consume it at all, it’s just the volumes in which we’re consuming milk and the milk products. I just don’t think they’re a solution.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: And the ruminants, cows and lamb obviously, cattle and lamb, beef and lamb, whatever we call it, that is ecologically, not only sustainable but regenerative.

Aaron Mckenzie: Totally. Totally. And it’s the perennial grasses. It’s a fact we’re not having to till, we’re not having to…All the things that we know, but it’s seeing the bigger picture of how it all joins together, and seeing how it relates to human food consumption, human health, and how does that all tie together. I’m just trying to figure out what’s the best life that I could live that can inspire others.

And if I can inspire others to do it as well, and make this celebrity status to live this life. So, I’m getting my meat from a farm that’s pulling carbon in from the atmosphere while it’s building topsoil, and I’m getting this amazing nutrient-dense food and eating the whole animal. That was my big thing. When I figured out that bone broth was an issue with histamines, it really upset me.

It upset me for a number of reasons, but the big thing for me is I’m nose to tail. So, if I’m not going to make bone broth, what am I going to do with the bones? Yeah, and I do put mine back into soil anyway and compost them to grow veggies. But that’s just such a waste to me. And I feel like I’m a failure as a human being if I can’t consume that food anymore.

Aaron Mckenzie: But the pressure cooker, it’s awesome. This is like, okay, now I can put the bones into the pressure cooker, not get the histamine, still get all the nutrients, add the acidic medium, the vinegar is an issue for… Normal vinegar is a bit more of an issue for histamines, but the apple cider vinegar is much better.

So, I can do that and then I can still get the mineral pulls, so rather than using the petrochemical-based supplements to get my minerals, which I still do, I still have magnesium, which I would love to phase out, but I’ve tried and I’ve done the whole thing and it was the only supplement that I kept through the whole time with the supplement with the magnesium, I got cramps and they’re low carb cramps and then-

Dr Ron Ehrlich: Hang on. If you didn’t supplement with magnesium, you got cramps. Yup.

Aaron Mckenzie: Yeah.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: Is that the only supplement?

Aaron Mckenzie: That’s the only thing that I took, that and salt for the eight months. I took out everything else, and the reason I kept it was because I had to function. I was really suffering hard-cure cramps and there’s a number of reasons. One reason is obviously low carb. As soon as you’re low carb, you’re excreting your sodium and your minerals through that. You need more to compensate, initially, until your body normalizes. So, that was happening, and then the high-fat thing. Yeah, it does that as well.

And then you’re not getting any insulin which retains that. And then you’ve got, on top of that, we’re eating the muscle meats, and I’m eating organs, but I’m not eating the blood of the animals, so you’re not getting the minerals there. And we’re not gnawing on bones and chewing on bones to get the minerals there. Plus on top of that, even though Dom’s doing the best that he can, Australian soils are deficient in the minerals that we need. And I’m not trying to justify my use of the supplements, but I’m just saying, “Well, how can I transition?”

My ultimate goal is to just do nose to tail, grow veggies, have some fruit that I eat seasonally, that I’ve grown myself, have the herbs in the garden, and do that model, and have some backyard chooks. Promote that. And I think that is if the more people got into that and got inspired by that, and the only way I see it happening, the only way I can see the masses wanting that, is it for it to be something of a celebrity status to say, “I’m doing this. Look at me. This is where I’m at. I’m healthy.”

Dr Ron Ehrlich: Make it trendy to be healthy.

Aaron Mckenzie: So the carnivore thing, sorry, got off topic a bit.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: That’s okay.

Aaron Mckenzie: That’s quite extreme. People say, “Oh, you think everyone should eat this way.” Not at all. I did it for me because of my gut lining, there was something going on and it was causing this autoimmune condition where my body… My own immune system is attacking my own cells and with psoriasis, it’s a cell’s just turning over so quickly because you’re hurting him. They flake off and new ones are coming through, so you get this redness and all of this. It’s been proven that psoriasis is an autoimmune condition now.

But that’s just one expression of it. Some other people might have it, as you know, depending on what’s happening on the gut lining, they might get different things going on, and that was just mine. And I think I’ve got a neck condition, a joint condition, having inflammation around that, which, mechanically, I was still training too hard, and that was another driver.

But how did this form in the first place when I’m someone so healthy and conscious of my form, technique. And obviously, overtraining came to it, but I think that there’s been an underlying gut issue that drove that further and caused a joint degeneration.

Aaron Mckenzie: Interestingly, my initial drive to get on top of my nutrition was this skin condition when I was 17. That’s what drove me. Another thing was that my grandmother suffered awful arthritic conditions, which now thinking back on arthritis and all these osteoarthritic conditions that she was suffering from, related to gut permeability and health.

It was just a big driver for me to say, “I want to get healthy.” And that made me make this decision to never have gluten again. And then just slowly weed through everything and figure out, well, what’s the best nutrition protocol for me? So, now my basic recommendations for people is two good meals a day, fast for 14 to 18 hours a day, and then have that 10 to 6-hour feeding window, sit down, relax with your family, enjoy and we’ve got the luxury now to do it.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: Yes, we do.

Aaron Mckenzie: This is an opportunity to do that and really connect with every mouthful. Then, get to bed on time, get your seven to nine hours every night. It’s great. Get your training in every day. And in terms of the food choices, just do what works for you. But I find that it’s classic, the meat and three veg thing is just so simple, practical and just a little bit of fruit.

For most people, that’s just going to work so well, if people just got onto that, and just got away from all the processed, refined, packaged foods and just enjoyed getting in the kitchen and cooking amazing food for the family, and using good quality salt so it tastes amazing. Use good herbs from your garden, start growing some herbs, connect with that, and then purchase your foods from good growers, so you know you’ve got good produce and now we can get it online, we can find a way.

If you’ve got the desire, do it and people say, “Oh, I can’t get this. I can’t get that.” Okay, just start with meat and vegetables from the supermarket, and just gradually refine it, improve it, and make your lifestyle better. Get outside once a day, go for a nice walk, get some sunshine, if it’s out.

You never get burnt, and just enjoy, and just take the time to learn something new, so you can be of service. And that’s what I thought about for myself. Okay, my business has dropped off. I’ve got maybe a quarter of the clients that I normally have. Meriton’s not easing up on the rent at this point, so that’s all just stressful, financially. But the most important thing for all of us, is how can I be of service?

Aaron Mckenzie: And if you’re a service to other people, the money will come, because people are benefiting from what you’re offering. If you’re doing a good job, then it’s going to come back to you. And that’s how we help support one another. I saw a sign the other day and I thought this is really important.

Because all this social distancing, but it’s physical distancing, but social unity is what we need and it’s so important now more than ever. And if we can come together online like this, like you and me talking now, and inspire other people to do the same, it’s not perfect, but we’ll get through this and we’ll make the world a better place.

And we have this time now to reflect and say, “Was the way in which we lived before working for us? Was racing around, being stressed out, travelling everywhere, doing all of this, trying to do too much, is it really benefiting us?” But if we can rebuild the economy in a way where we are like this, and we can do a lot more from home and why not?

Dr Ron Ehrlich: Yeah. Aaron, always such a pleasure. Always such a pleasure. And for the whole 14 years that we’ve known each other and may there be many, many more years and I’m going to so look forward every morning now, except Sunday, I think you’re online at nine o’clock.

Aaron Mckenzie: Nine o’clock, Monday to Saturday,

Dr Ron Ehrlich: Monday to Saturday. And we’re going to have links to that and I’m going to look forward to… I’ve got a pretty tatty Origin of Energy t-shirt, which I still wear it every workout.

Aaron Mckenzie: That’s awesome, thanks.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: I’m going to look forward to it. Aaron, thank you so much for joining us today.

Aaron Mckenzie: Thank you, Ron. Thanks for the opportunity.


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