Show Notes

• Lyn McLean website
• Lyn Mclean being the author of Wireless-wise Families’, Scribe, 2017
• Lyn Mclean being the Executive Officer of the EMR Association of Australia
• Lyn McLean previous episodes in Unstress Being a Wireless Wise Person (Part 1)
• Lyn McLean previous episodes in Unstress Being a Wireless Wise Person – Preconception, Infertility, Children’s Health (Part 2)

Timestamps

• 00:00 – Introduction to the episode and guests
• 01:30 – Overview of electromagnetic pollution
• 03:50 – Sources of electromagnetic fields (EMFs) in everyday life
• 06:30 – Wireless radiation and its prevalence in modern devices
• 09:10 – Common misconceptions about EMF safety standards
• 12:00 – Discussion on the flaws of current safety guidelines
• 15:45 – Health risks associated with prolonged EMF exposure
• 19:20 – Evidence from peer-reviewed studies
• 22:15 – Practical tips for reducing EMF exposure at home
• 25:30 – The impact of EMFs on long-term health
• 28:00 – Strategies for making informed choices about technology
• 31:00 – Conclusion and final thoughts

Lyn McLean: Health Risks of EMF and Wi-Fi Radiation

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:00:00] Feeling stressed. Overwhelmed. It’s time to Unstress your life and focus on controlling what you can control. I’m Dr Ron Ehrlich, host of the Unstress Health Podcast, inviting you to join the Unstress health community and discover a holistic approach that helps you more effectively face the daily challenges of our modern world and effectively recover each and every day. Unstress Health is here to provide you with advice and support that is independent of industry and influence, an influence that is easy to miss but difficult to ignore. Our focus is on building mental fitness. Your mind can be your best friend or your worst enemy. Mental fitness is the key. Our three phased approach Target mindset Whose positive intelligence quotient and move from self-sabotage to self-mastery. Secondly, the challenges We redefine what stress means in our modern world. And thirdly, recovery master the five pillars of Health. As a member of the Unstress health community. You’ll turn obstacles into opportunities with expert led courses, curated podcasts, personalized health assessments, supportive community, and much, much more. Join Unstress Health today and together let’s not just survive but thrive. Click on the link below or visit Unstress health.com. Well, the subject of today is something that just literally surrounds us. We bathe ourselves in it. We embrace it. We’re obsessed by it. It’s addictive. It’s actually what delivers all of our Internet and streaming services and wi fi radiation. Electromagnetic radiation. It’s everywhere. And it’s very we don’t read a lot about the problems of it in the mainstream press, even though there are literally thousands of scientific articles written that alert us to its possible dangers. Yes, we will not be hearing about this kind of thing in the mainstream media. My guest today, though, is a champion of that very message. Lynn McLane Lynn is an electromagnetic field consultant trainer. She is passionate about helping people understand and reduce their exposure to electromagnetic pollution to create safer homes and families. She’s the director of EMR Australia, which we will have links to, and she also publishes a newsletter regularly information which, as I said, usually includes the latest scientific research on this issue. Information and research that you just don’t get in the mainstream media. Lynn is also a published author, having written over four books or having written four books on electromagnetic radiation, co-authored a peer reviewed scientific paper, and writes regular blogs on science and international developments on this issue. She has also been involved in commenting on the major political and regulatory developments in this area for nearly three decades. I interviewed Lynn. She was one of our very first interviews almost 400 episodes ago. But of course, since then a lot has happened and we need an update to remind us of that. I hope you enjoyed this conversation I had with Lyn Maclean. Welcome back, Lyn.

Lyn McLean [00:03:40] Thanks, Ron. It’s good to be talking to you today.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:03:42] Lyn. What we’re talking about today is something that is part of modern world of everybody’s life. We carry around it around with us. We put it in our homes. We’re literally bathed in it. I wonder if we might just and people don’t really know the risks of being exposed to electromagnetic pollution, especially from the devices we choose to use and buy for our homes. Can we just talk about that issue of electromagnetic pollution? I don’t think many people will be thinking of it in those terms.

Lyn McLean [00:04:19] Yeah, that’s right. Well, the problem is we can’t see it. You know, it’s not like smoke where we can see that there’s that all that great stuff out there that’s potentially interfering with us. But this is invisible. And what we find is that a lot of people have got absolutely no idea how much electromagnetic pollution is in their homes. And it’s going to come from everything electrical. So from all your appliances, from all your wiring, from conductive water pipes, from the power points that have got the wiring to them. So those are the electromagnetic fields that are from electrical sources. But on top of that, we’ve got wireless radiation, which is is probably the better thing for us to be talking about today because that’s easier for us to to manage or control. And that’s from all of the wireless devices in and around our homes. So that’s going to be our mobile phones, our wireless, my tomorrow to our baby monitors, our tablets, our computers, our all our smart devices, our smart, maybe smart electricity metre, our smart TV, even smart light globes and smart appliances. So now there’s a trend for appliances to be made to emit radiation. So-called smart. I don’t think it’s very smart at all, but it’s very easy to buy some of these appliances to put them in your home and have no idea that they’re irradiating it. But they are. So if you look at all of those sources to hear that that is a lot of radiofrequency radiation transmitters in your home that’s affecting everybody in and potentially around your home. And that’s something that we can manage. That’s something that we can improve.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:06:09] But, you know, the interesting thing, and there’s a lot of similarities between environmental toxins within the home, you know, we are exposed to tens of thousands of chemicals. And the natural assumption for the majority of people is, hey, listen, if they’re on the supermarket shelves, they must have been tested. They must be safe for human. Beings. And surely the same is true of wi fi radiation. Wireless radiation. What’s your response to that?

Lyn McLean [00:06:39] Well, that’s a perfectly reasonable assumption. We do assume that what we can buy is safe. But the trouble is, that’s absolutely far from the truth. Probably for a lot of chemicals, but definitely for radiation. And that’s because a lot of these devices are not tested for safety before they go onto the market. So what they what they have to do is demonstrate that they comply with a standard. Now, that would be great if the standard was reliable, but the standard that we have in Australia is based on international guidelines. And and these guidelines have been demonstrated very compellingly, demonstrated to be flawed. The science behind them is not reliable, it’s old, it’s flawed, and it doesn’t protect us. So essentially what we have around the world is standards in different countries. And to have these international guidelines that are essentially, you could say, designed to protect the industry. So the industry is able to to make these products, to make lots of money from these products, to roll out these telecommunications networks. But does human safety factor into it? Does the safety of, you know, of these animals or environment factor into it? And the answer is no. These standards don’t even consider environmental impacts. But for the purposes of our conversation, it’s it’s the effects on people that we’re concerned about. And what we can say is that there are now houses of peer reviewed scientific studies that are showing harmful effects of this radiation. So that’s compelling evidence that what’s out there on the shelves is not necessarily safe.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:08:31] The the standards, the international standards, the Australian standards are one and the same, I guess. Can you kind of give us a 1 to 1 appraisal of what what what are the what is it they’re looking at? What are they testing? Why is it so safe in inverted commas?

Lyn McLean [00:08:47] Well, what they they’re assuming that you only have to worry about radiation if the amount of radiation that you’re exposed to hits the body up by one degree Celsius. So that’s the concerned about the short term heating effects of exposure. But only the short term heating effects of exposure, where the problem is that we’re being exposed to radiation, it’s not necessarily heating our body up by one degree Celsius, but also it’s not necessarily short term. If you’re living next to a mobile phone tower or you’re sleeping with your mobile phone underneath your pillow or next to your bed. This is not short term exposure. This is a long term chronic exposure. That’s and it’s cumulative exposure because we’re getting it from the phone tower, the phone, the wife on low temperature. We’re getting all of these different frequencies for long periods of time. This is no longer short term exposure. So the standards are just not considering. The long term non heating effects of radiation. But these there’s a lot of research now that is showing that those effects are showing that that radiation is having harmful effects on the body. So it’s doing things like causing DNA damage, affecting our cells. It’s affecting our brainwaves. It’s affecting our hormones. One of those hormones is melatonin, which is helps protect against cancer. So that’s one of the ones that’s being reduced by exposure to this radiation. But it’s having many, many effects on our body, including generating free radicals or not counteracting free radicals. So these harmful effects have got the potential to cause long term health problems. And we’ve already seen increases in in brain tumours in people who have used mobile phones for long periods of time. And you know, particularly for young people who started using mobile phones when they were young, we see increases in, in cancer. We we’ve seen with these research showing increases in breast cancer for people who carried him up our phones or for women carried their mobile phones in their the they bra. And we’re seeing testicular and sperm damage that’s consistent with infertility. And we all know that there’s a massive increase in infertility in Western countries. So we see are we seeing reductions in immunity, too? So lots of problems, health problems and symptoms that are caused by exposure to this radiation.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:11:39] It’s extraordinary, really, to think that heat is being used as a measure of potential harm. Because if the same were used to determine whether X-rays were good for you or not, we would be, you know, like, my goodness, I’d hate to think how long you’d have to expose a patient to an x ray before it started to heat up. And we know that too much x ray exposure is not good for you. That seems kind of extraordinary in itself in itself, doesn’t it?

Lyn McLean [00:12:13] Well, it’s very convenient because if you’ve got a way if you’ve got a cut off point and you can say, it’s only dangerous after this point, that allows you to let all of that other radiation slip through into society and be used by people. And you can say, well, you know, it’s it complies with the standard. It’s not causing short term heating effects. So isn’t that good?

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:12:39] No, it’s it’s interesting also, because we’ve done quite a few programs on mitochondrial function and how important that is for absolutely every disease. And we’ve made the point that when you look at what goes on in mitochondria, it’s called the electron transport chain, because that’s what creates the energy electron transports within each and every cell and nerves are fired by micro currents and brain waves, and every cell functions on micro currents. But somehow this radiation, which is electrons and currents, no problem at all.

Lyn McLean [00:13:21] Absolutely. And we know that if we stand in an electromagnetic field, that that field is induced in our body. We know our body is impacted by these external radiation. But what we forget is exactly what you’re saying, that our body is an electrical device. What’s the right word? It’s we are electrical beings. And there’s a lot of research on that. And it’s fascinating, fascinating research and our healing process. He’s got to do with my new electrical currents in the body. So if we start stuffing around with this. We start stuffing around with with our health and well-being. And, you know, it makes perfect sense that if you’re bombarding your body with anything that’s. That’s not natural. That’s manmade. That’s not been tested for safety adequately, that you’re really running a risk. And why are we doing that? And it comes back to, well, there are financial reasons for doing this, that financial reasons are the only viable reason for doing it, because you certainly wouldn’t do this for people’s health or well-being. So this is this is making a lot of people a lot of money. But the trouble is that we are the ones that are missing out. And so it comes back to us that what can we do to look after ourselves and protect our health and actually be saying no to big business that won’t actually kind of buy these products? Because we know science are showing that they’re not good for us.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:15:00] Yes. It’s so interesting, Lynn, isn’t it? There may well be thousands of peer reviewed articles and it may well make sense from a biological, physiological, biochemical bioelectrical point of view. But we’re not going to hear about that in the mainstream press because this very device that we, you and I, are communicating on. You know, if we started well, here we are. We are actually talking about how you guys what you’re actually listening to, what you’re actually holding as you listen to this podcast or this TV program or this streaming service or this mobile phone or this social media platform, that’s all bad for you.

Lyn McLean [00:15:46] Doesn’t have to be, though, because I’m talking to you on a computer that doesn’t have any wireless capacity. I can ring you on my phone that doesn’t have any wireless capacity. So I use safe technology, and safe technology is available. It’s not easy to access. We have it, but we don’t have to be using wireless. There is no need. I repeat, there is no need for us to be using wireless basically at all. You know, an example of that is, is wireless baby monitors. It horrifies me to think that nearly every baby out there right at the moment has got a radio frequency transmitter close to its head. Now fly. And the reason is because there’s been some good marketing done saying, you know, this is a great idea, gone, but it’s making so much money that we could simply unplug them all right this moment and our kids would actually be better off and our families would be better off. We’d be better off.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:16:54] Yes. Well, I mean, I think there have been literally thousands of generations that have survived very well without a baby monitor. And we’re going to come to some of the solutions. But the real the the reality is the devices are emitting more radiation than ever. And is that where are we at? I mean, things have changed. We’re up to 5G. Tell us a little bit about what that actually means. You know, people think, great, we’re on 5G. I wonder when we’ll get to six G or whatever that means. What does it mean? What do we how much how’s the radiation escalating year by year.

Lyn McLean [00:17:31] In in in so many ways. One is that I said that we’ve got so many devices in our home that we didn’t know about or maybe still don’t know about. So our light globes, our fridges, our all sorts of appliances are emitting radiation. So we’re being exposed to that. The new technologies that we buy are emitting more radiation. So it seems to me just a few years ago, we all used to use wired models and for Internet and no radiation. Now we do. In a short period of time, we’ve had this explosion of really high power wireless margins in routers. And a lot of this was just came about after Indian was installed and people were kind of forced to get new margins around it. Now, this heaps of radiation, heaps of radiation compared to some of the early models. And this radiation in some cases is enough to blanket an entire farm. So imagine that in your apartment, sitting in front of a wireless modem around or having in the cupboard next to you, it’s emitting so much radiation that it could extend across a farm. So obviously it’s extending across streets and blocks of in our suburban cities. So much more radiation for every person needs. Why are we doing that? But then we’ve got devices that no longer turn off. So it used to be that you didn’t want your mobile phone to be irradiated, you see, put on aeroplane mode. Now, for many mobile phones, that just doesn’t work anymore. Only mode doesn’t turn off radiation. Yeah. And then we think, alright, well we’re going to, we don’t want to be irradiated as we, I don’t know, walk up the street or something. So we turn our mobile phones off. But that doesn’t always turn the radiation off, ever. I know. It’s astonishing.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:19:33] Hang on. I’m just a bit shocked by. Okay. I’ve always turned my aeroplane mode off if I have it in my pocket. I’m walking down the beach. I. I turn the attention aircraft mode, aeroplane mode, and I turn the Wi-Fi and Bluetooth off. Thinking okay. But not even turning the phone off. My goodness. What do we do? We’ve got to throw them away. You don’t have one line. I know you don’t have a mobile phone.

Lyn McLean [00:20:01] Well, I have it, and it’s in the back door, the back of my drawer. And it comes out maybe once or twice a year. And hopefully it doesn’t get used, but. It it it’s crazy. And I’m shocked by what I measure when I go into people’s homes because it used to be that you, you know, you turn the mobile phone off, you check it, everything was fine or it was only emitting a bit of radiation. But what comes out of these devices now is amazing. And I’ve had people say to me, look, I’m super worried about the mobile phone tower out there, and you you check their homes. And the biggest source of radiation is two things the wireless modem, the mobile phone. And I have no idea that these devices that they carry around in their pocket, you know, maybe next to their their skin or they bras or wherever else they carry them or what they are reproductive organs that these things are emitting so much radiation. They are.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:21:00] But turning the phone off. I mean, surely.

Lyn McLean [00:21:05] You think so? That’s what the off button is for. That it’s not working. And the same on a much more round to people. Press the off button and think, Ah, I’ve just turned off Wi-Fi. And so my, my, my temperature is safe. But actually in most cases it’s the mind. Murata is still emitting radiation. So the off button might make you feel good, but doesn’t necessarily mean that the device isn’t irradiating you. We have radiation free modems and routers, so it comes back to, well, why are we using these devices at all? Especially because we can’t trust them. And then we have margins for artists. You can get into the settings and you can turn off the wireless. So that will mean that a modern mirage is no longer emitting radiation. But we can’t trust that either because new updates come in. And the the wireless turns back on. So suddenly you have a radiating modem or router again and you think that it’s safe. So if you if you get into the settings so you’ve got a much more router with somebody got into the settings for you keep measuring because that that might be emitting radiation now we can’t trust that any wireless device is not going to be irradiating us without our knowledge.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:22:28] Okay. So I guess measure, I mean, to not measure nowadays would be kind of a bit naive. What’s the simplest way for people to measure the radiation they’re exposed to in their homes on a daily basis, you know, to monitor it?

Lyn McLean [00:22:46] Let me stretch over here one second. All right. So I’ll go to Chan and show you that. Yeah, I think you can see that the camera now this is a new metre that we’ve got it. It detects wireless radiation. It’s fairly economical when you basically press the button to turn it on. You’ve got series that puts a series of coloured lights that show the green is pretty okay. Orange is what they say, okay and right is what we would like to avoid. So you can see at a glance whether this is whether something is emitting radiation. You can see is there radiation coming from my modem, how much is coming from my modem? How much is coming from my baby monitor? Is my aeroplane mode actually working and and so forth. And you know, if there’s radiation, you know, maybe a mobile phone tower out there, you can you can measure that too. But I agree with you that I think that now we’re at a point in society where we actually have to measure to find out what’s going on in our homes. So, you know, our schools, for example, our kids are sitting underneath wireless access points. So they’re. The person who’s sitting underneath him is being exposed to more Asian, the person that’s sitting over there. We’re getting exposed at home, at work, at school. I think we need to know what’s what we’re exposed to because how can we deal with it if we don’t know?

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:24:15] What’s the what’s the cost of the simplest device for measuring? What is that cost?

Lyn McLean [00:24:22] You know, this is $212.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:24:24] So, I mean, really, that’s that’s pretty insignificant in comparison. I mean, considering how ubiquitous it is, I mean, you know, you can decide whether it’s important enough to you or not, but at least find out what’s going on. Because and interestingly, you use the schools and the example I have, I think I’m correct, in France, they’ve taken wi fi radiation out of schools because they use something called the precautionary principle to guide their public health measures rather than using industry information to I think it used to be called the tobacco playbook, where, you know, hey, look, it’s so it’s so controversial, whether cigarettes a problem or not. That argument went on for 60 years. We knew it was in the 1940s. And it wasn’t until the 1990s that we really got action and it was called the tobacco Playbook. But you could translate that into this area. It’s very we’re not sure whether that’s really a problem or not, but the precautionary principle tell tell our listeners a little bit about what the precautionary principle is.

Lyn McLean [00:25:40] Yeah, well, we basically we don’t have to wait till we’re all sick and dying of cancer and we’ve got conclusive proof that something is dangerous to actually do something about it. And it’s the same with anything in society. We don’t know that if we drive down the street without our seatbelts on that we’re going to die or our kids are going to die. But we put seatbelt on anyway. It’s a precautionary approach. We we put fences around our pools in backyard backyards to stop our kids falling in to the pool, even if maybe they can swim or they’re great swimmers or whatever. So there are lots of things that we do in society as a precaution to prevent harm. So why aren’t we doing the same thing in this? And years ago I was involved in high in standard committees or writing submissions to the standards committees when standards for electric and magnetic fields and for radiofrequency fields were being developed. And and I my colleague were always saying, look. Let’s have a precautionary approach and let’s put these suggestions in as ways that we could minimise this. And I know that when I was on committees with Australia’s Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency, that’s the regulator, I pensa the same thing I was saying, you know, we need precautions, let’s tell people how to reduce exposure. But by and large that never happened. And we know the reason it because we don’t want to give the impression that technology that everybody loves, it’s making lots and lots of money for people could be a risk. But that being said, a lot of people might know if you look at your instruction manual for your mobile phone, if you look at the fine print, guess what it says. Hold the mobile phone a little bit away from your head so you don’t press it right against here. It’s supposed to be a little gap of a few millimetres to keep it further away from your brain to reduce the amount of radiation absorption into the brain. So, you know, manufacturers are already putting that in those warnings in to minimise their liability for when. This becomes, you know, a big legal issue.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:28:03] Hi, Dr. Riley. Here it. I want to invite you to join our Unstress health community. Now, like this podcast, it’s independent of industry and focuses on taking a holistic approach to human health and to the health of the planet. The two are inseparable. There are so many resources available with membership, including regular live Q&A on specific topics with special guests, including many with our amazing Unstress Health Advisory Panel that we’ve done hundreds of podcasts over listening to with some amazing experts on a wide range of topics. Many are world leaders, but with membership we have our Unstress Blend podcast series where we take the best of several guests and carefully curated specific topics for episodes which are jam packed full of valuable insights. So join the Unstress health community. If you’re watching this on our YouTube channel. Click on the link below or just visit Unstress health.com to see what’s on offer and join now. I look forward to connecting with you. I was aware of that from our last conversation a few years back about the fact that the mobile device that you bought has got the embedded in its instructions is keep it away from your head. It’s in the fine print. But listen, a lot of people are aware of it and there’s these so-called solutions out there. Can you give us some examples of solutions that people are attracted to for all the right reasons but may not be as effective as they claim to be?

Lyn McLean [00:29:49] Yeah, well, lots of them, actually. You can get anything on the Internet that you want. So if you want a solution for electromagnetic fields, look on the internet and you’ll find buy this product, do these thing so your problems. And the trouble is that’s that they’re not going to necessarily do that. The easy things plug this thing and it will make all the radiation in your home go away. The electromagnetic pollution. Well, wouldn’t it be great if that worked? But if it did work, I wouldn’t have been doing this for the last nearly 30 years. And nor would do the researchers out there and the shooting experts out there be doing it either. So the simple things like plug it in, turn it on and magically or disappear don’t work. And if you’ve got a metre, you can actually measure. Is the radiation still there? Yep. Turn on the power point with this device plugged in, but the radiation is still there, hasn’t gone anywhere. So be careful about claims. You can’t test. Test it to test it, Measure yourself, Determine whether something works or not. People talk about products that harmonise radiation. Well, that’s a nice word. It sounds good. But again, if you measure your see the radiation still there, it hasn’t gone away. It hasn’t stopped. It hasn’t changed in any way that we can determine. It’s still there. And you’re still taking a risk by being exposed to it. What are your other things that don’t work? One of the things that I’m a bit concerned about is people buy things like laptop plates. They put them on their their neck and they put their laptop on top of it. And it’s supposed to stop the radiation going into your body. But and then people think, well, that’s great. I can use my laptop and I can use it safely, which really is what it’s doing if it’s reflecting that radiation back into. The trunk of your body. So it’s potentially increasing your exposure. So we have to be really cautious about what we see advertised out there. And I say this as somebody who runs a business but only sell products that can be demonstrated to work. So the test reports today that show these things work. Or you can measure and say if you put a you know, the canopy in place, is your exposure less inside the canopy than it was before? It is pretty easy to see. So I think we have to make decisions based on our intelligence rather than wishful thinking. Now, if we think, great, it would be really good to buy that product. And you know, emotionally I can feel happy about it. But our minds might be telling us, well, actually, it’s too good to be true. This is not going to work. And another thing that concerns me, too, is a product that I actually sell. We sell shielding. So we have shooting paints and fabrics and window film. And sometimes people contact me and say, Great. I just want to show you my house. So if I put my business hat on, I would say, fantastic, or I’m going to sell this product. But what I do is I contact these people and say, I don’t think you should do that, because there are all sorts of. All sorts of problems that you could be creating by putting shielding around your house. Basically, just don’t do it unless, you know, unless it’s a last resort and unless you’ve actually spoken to us first. Because most of the times that people want a shield, they shouldn’t be doing it at all. But it’s just completely the wrong thing to do. And you can also make your exposure worse by reflecting signals from your inside devices back in towards you. So in terms of precaution and what we can do, it’s less easy than it used to be because there are so many sources of it and there are so many factors to keep in mind. And so for me and, you know, my background is in teaching, the major thing is find understand this, come back, do one of our online courses, understand how these fields behave and understand the right solutions to put in place. Because what you do in your place might be different to what your, you know, your cousin three suburbs away does because you have different equipment in your home. You’ll have different exposure from your neighbours or mobile phone towers outside where all different solutions will be different.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:34:34] Yes. The the problem of it’s a bit like coming back to the environmental chemicals and environmental exposure. You know, it’s, you would think air pollution, water pollution. What’s going on outside the house is the really big problem. But if you make responsible, it actually turns out the chemicals you’re exposed to in your house are huge. And if you make responsible decisions, you can reduce your chemical load by 80 or 90%. And so something that seems incredibly overwhelming, environmental toxins suddenly becomes more manageable. And I think the same is true for electromagnetic pollution as well. So you’ve mentioned a couple of things. Let’s just list out a few things that people could be doing or should be doing to minimise their exposure. And of course, the thing about it is measuring it confirms how well you’re doing. But let’s give a couple of suggestions.

Lyn McLean [00:35:37] Number one, find out what’s emitting radiation in your home. So I’m just talking about radiation now. Make a list of all the devices that you and your kids family use, you know, to be the baby monitors and all the mobile phones. Make a list and have a look at it. And that’s that’s maybe a starting point. Yes. Measure. Measure what’s coming out of each of these things and then work out that all that allows you to work out what you can do about it. So you can say there’s this much radiation coming out of my baby monitor. Am I going to leave it in the court next to my baby’s head or am I going to do something about it? But that information will help you make that decision. And whatever decision you make is fine with me as long as you make it from an informed perspective. So number three, look for all by safe technologies. Why are we buying radiating modems in routers when you can have, as I do, radiation free margins in routers, I’ve got radiation for your computer. So there’s still safe technology that we can be putting in place. And if we we set our home up so we’ve got safe technology in place, then we don’t need to carry these little wireless transmitters around in our in our pockets or wherever it might be in our in our bras that are irradiating us because we can go out and we can sit down at this safe technology and we can do what we need to do. I think also we need to think about what’s what’s happening in our cars. There’s a lot of wireless technology in our cars. A lot of the technology we use in our cars, we carry into the cars with it, you know, our tablets now, our phones and so forth. Do we need to can we leave it at home? Can we can we go radiation free for a day? For a weekend for a little while? How can we what do we want in our home to achieve? What do we want our kids exposed to? And how can we how can we get to that outcome? I think kids exposure is really critical too, because I’ve been looking at watching some kids that have been suffering from anxiety and noticing that they’re wearing a puts and. Smartwatches. Now. This is really distressing to me because if you look at the research. These wireless devices and the use of basically social media is associated with anxiety. So we’re creating anxious kids. By encouraging allowing them to use this technology. I don’t think anybody should be using wireless. He puts. Q We don’t need them.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:38:35] I know I’ve seen images of Wi-Fi or radiation penetration into brains, and I know the kids are a lot more vulnerable to that than adults, aren’t they?

Lyn McLean [00:38:49] Absolutely, because the Skulls are a lot thinner, so that radiation is penetrating further. And so for an adult, you penetration is just a part of the brain. But for a child, it’s most as a child’s brain. For young shots, most of the child’s brain this absorb the radiation and that that modelling was done with mobile phones held out here when we got 80% inside the ear head that much closer to the brain. Plus we’ve got one in here and one in here. So we’re irradiating both sides of the brain. Now, this to me is really, really concerning and totally unnecessary.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:39:32] The AirPods, I mean, I must be. I mean, that’s how they work. They must be emitting a great deal more radiation than these wired headphones that we have used to use to plug into our phones. And they were emitting radiation as well. But but what are them? Obviously, there’s more in the pods.

Lyn McLean [00:39:56] Well, it’s a radiating device. And again, you can measure. So if you take one out of your ear and, you know, measure it with a metre, you’d be surprised what’s coming out. But the thing is, you don’t need it at all because we have although we’re out of stock at the moment, we have radiation free issue headsets. So they don’t emit radiation and they don’t conduct radiation into your head. So you get the same and result. You’re still listening to what you want to listen to, but you’re doing it with that radiation. And you know, there are lots of lots of alternatives that we can come up with to these these radiating devices. But we have to first be aware that either in our home that our kids are using them and that they’re a potential problem.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:40:41] You mentioned you’ve got a computer that is not radiating. Now, how does that I mean, other than switching off the Wi-Fi radiation, which may or may not work and even switching off the computer may or may not work. What are you doing there? Tell us a little bit more about what you’re how you’ve covered that base.

Lyn McLean [00:41:02] Our wonderful tech guy built it for me, so he built it without radiation, without the ability to emit radiation, which is great. I have a laptop as well that he’s got the capacity for. So I thought that. So I turned off. But so for my work, I always use this computer that’s completely radiation free. And I set up my kids homes too, so that they’ve got radiation free computers and radiation free modems and routers. So actually, they’ve got landline phones, too, so that I know that they’ve got the ability to access technology safely.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:41:42] I know when I was renovating my home, they were putting speakers up in the ceilings and he just said, we’re putting Wi-Fi speak. And I said, No, no, no, no, hang on. You’re not putting Wi-Fi speakers. I’ll put the blue cable to it. And the blue cable is the Ethernet cable that’s not emitting radiation, is that right?

Lyn McLean [00:42:05] Yeah. Well, if you don’t use radiation, you have to use cables. So Ethernet cables. Yes. Right. But you can also you can get people if they want, you can get their electrician to and to run cabling through the roof or it can be even outside. There are different ways that you can do it very discreetly so that you can have access to the Internet wherever you want it in your home. So it can be done. I mean, I’m set up so that I have access to the Internet in multiple rooms downstairs and upstairs in my home without papers running all through the place. But you can have Kapos running through the place if you want. But what you have to be aware of is that if you attach something with an Ethernet cable, it doesn’t stop the radiation. If it’s a radiating device, the radiation radiation device is still going to be giving out radiation. You have to actually use a device that’s not radiating or make sure that you get into the settings and turn off the radiation and then measure and make sure that the radiation is turned off.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:43:10] Because I cannot imagine you would buy a single device in any shop nowadays without the ability to have Wi-Fi connection.

Lyn McLean [00:43:19] It’s very hard. And even things like keyboards and a mouse. It used to be that are all wired in. And now all of that stuff is is going wireless. You still can buy it and I on the. Sure I have a little stash of those things so that they’ll do me into the future. But I don’t know whether I can’t say the cable to my mouse. How is having a cable to my mouse an inconvenience? You know, I really have to say, what is the problem? This is why they’re great things.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:43:53] Yeah. You also mentioned baby monitors. And, you know, as a as a grandfather with several young grandchildren, baby monitors. Does distance make a difference? Does distance make a difference? I mean.

Lyn McLean [00:44:08] Well, sort of, but. But the thing is that these this equipment is designed to be sending a signal a long way. So if you take your one inch of the baby monitor and and then go outside into the yard, down the street, wherever you want to go, how far can you go and still connect? And if you can go a long way, that’s how far the radiation is travelling. So if your baby is lying, you can say my hands if your baby’s going that far away from it. Of course it’s going into your baby, into your baby’s body. It’s going it’s coming a long way.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:44:50] You know, Lynn, look, I had to get you back on to talk about this because, you know, five G is is a is supposedly a big improvement. What are your thoughts on, you know, how we’re I mean, it’s clearly not a good thing. Five G How has that changed the landscape?

Lyn McLean [00:45:11] This five G is is hugely problematic. One reason is that it has never, never been tested for safety. And I’m talking about the sort of emissions that we’re getting in the environment, real time signals. They have never been tested for safety. So we’re rolling out a technology. We’re putting it outside nearly everybody’s homes. We’re exposing nearly everybody to it right throughout the world without ever having any real signal testing for safety. So that’s one thing. The number of transmitters I mean, as I said, that there will be really close to people’s homes right outside people’s patrons in many cases. That’s another thing. But the third thing is the characteristics of five G 5G is going to operate in ways that the other generations haven’t operated. So they have things called been steering technology. So if you’re walking or driving down the street with your five G device, the mobile phone tower is going to be able to basically follow you or the signal is going to be able to follow you as you’re doing that. So instead of just driving through it in a short period of time, you’re going to be in that signal for a longer period of time. So we haven’t had that kind of technology before. We don’t know what the impacts of that are going to be. Plus, we’ve got a whole lot of different frequencies that largely haven’t been used or we haven’t been exposed to very much before. Now there’s are in Australia, we’re getting a lot of 5G mobile phone towers that it built at 3.5GHz. And of course the signals will comply with the standard. And if you look on the information that the tech company sends, you will be saying things like, it’s only this percent of the standard. It’s, you know, it complies with standard, no problem, essentially. But what has been found in in Sweden is that people exposed to this particular frequency have started to develop a whole lot of symptoms after a 5G 3.5GHz antenna was installed near their home or their holiday house or whatever it might be, or their workplace. And so these people were okay with 3G and 4G antennas that come the 3.5GHz 5G antennas. They started to get sick. And it’s all sorts of things fatigue, nervous system problems, burning of the skin, memory and concentration problems, a whole range of symptoms. Then when those people went away, some some of them were so badly affected that they had to get out of their homes and go and stay somewhere else. When they got out of that that situation, they started to regain their health. When they went back into their homes, maybe to pack up some clothes to to leave, the symptoms came back. So we’ve got now, I think, seven studies that were done by this team in Sweden showing these sorts of effects. But what I’m finding is I’m seeing that with people in Australia and they ringing me up and. Saying, look, I was fine with this mobile phone tower that was outside before, but now the 3.5GHz 5G antennas have been turned on and I’m feeling terrible. And then they go through and tell me the symptoms that they’re experiencing. And this is kind of heartbreaking, to be honest, because this shouldn’t be happening. And. This. This is hard for people because their faith in God to come back and protect themselves. Nobody out there is listening to them. Our government is not listening to them. Our tech companies are not listening to them. They are not going to make things better for these people. Who is suffering? It comes back to these people to work out what can they do to protect themselves in their homes. And so on. I’m working with a few people who are in that situation at the moment. But I’d be I’d be really happy if if if in my business I didn’t have to because it’s, as I said, heartbreaking to see families, not just individuals, but, you know, parents and children who are affected in this way.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:49:41] And the five G. Ability to track you means there must be a lot more 5G towers or stations or whatever. What are the what do we call them? Tell me.

Lyn McLean [00:49:52] Well, probably antennas.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:49:54] Antennas.

Lyn McLean [00:49:54] Yeah. They’ve we’ve had the the big mobile phone towers that have had 5G put on them. But what the companies are doing is all this 5G signals don’t travel quite as as far as some of the other technologies. They’re putting them closer together. So you what you’re getting is on light poles, you’re getting 5G antennas. So the problem is that the light poles are so close to people’s homes, you know, you know how little space trees between your home and the light pole, If there’s a 5G antenna on it, it’s really close to your your home. And you might have big glass windows at the front that that signals coming right through. And I had one woman tell me that she she was really concerned about that and talking to people in her street about this sort of antenna. And the people in the street were basically attacking her because they wanted their 5G.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:50:48] Yes, yes, Yes. Well, you know, t we’ve seen public health. There’s a whole story there which we could divert to. But, you know, people feeling this is an affront to them to even raise the issue that this could be bad for you. How dare you? How dare you? How dare you? Look, let’s finish on a positive note, because, I mean, I’m guessing you could go out with this measuring device and measure in the street the 5G signal as well. But let’s finish on some positive notes. Pay the people can do and get some control because focusing on controlling what you can control is a good way to go, isn’t it?

Lyn McLean [00:51:30] Absolutely. And I think we have to remember that we we are powerful. We as individuals, we are the people who create the society of tomorrow. And it’s our choices now that create that. And so I think it’s really important what choices we make, what choices about the technology that we have in our homes and what we buy. So the reason that this is such a lucrative business for the technology companies and that they’re rolling out technology, even though it’s potentially probably quite dangerous, the reason they can do that is because we’re buying it. If we don’t buy it and we don’t use it, what we do is we create a market for safe products, and those safe products are disappearing from the shelves at the moment and we will only be able to sustain them if people if people buy them and use and put them in their homes. So that’s that’s something really practical that we can do. So we protect our home, but we create a change in a positive change in society. And then I think we educate ourselves, be aware that we can measure what’s in our homes and we can control it. We can get rid of it. We can put safe technology in place. We can shield if we absolutely have to. And we’ve got some good advice. But there are things that we can do to protect our homes. And we we can also work on our health because as we become healthier and stronger, we are more able to resist the impacts of this technology. So I think this is this is our this is our personal journey. This is a challenge that we’ve been given to actually give us an incentive to make ourselves stronger.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:53:09] Well, Lynn, that’s a great note to finish on. And I know you’ve made a special offer, and I’ll mention that in the outro and we’ll have links to your website, of course. Thank you so much for joining us today and sharing your knowledge and wisdom with us.

Lyn McLean [00:53:21] Thank you so much. I’m very passionate about this, so it’s a great pleasure to be talking to you and your listeners. Thank you for having me.

Dr Ron Ehrilch [00:53:27] Well, as I said, it’s it’s everywhere. It’s ubiquitous. And to ignore it is it’s naive at best and actually silly at worst, because we are walking electricity Every literally every cell in our body undergoes what is called the electron transport chain. That’s what produces ATP, the currency of energy in our cells, in our bodies. We need the sun. The sun provides us with important UVB light energy. And that. Helps power us as well. In fact, nothing on earth grows without the sun. But we somehow have immersed ourselves and come to accept this form of radiation which we carry on our bodies put by our beds, by their homes in wi fi radiation as being safe. And there is, as we mentioned in this episode, the European Union has what’s called the precautionary principle, which is if something has the potential to cause harm, then we should approach it cautiously. And the manufacturers of that metric of that problem, a potential problem should prove that it is safe for human health. And there is a conflict of interest here again, and like chemical toxins of which there are literally tens of thousands and you would hope they were regulated, but only a very small percentage of them are. And none of them are tested in combination, which is how we experience them. And none of them are tested over many years for different age groups and different health and in combination with different health conditions and medications, etc.. That’s chemical toxins. And it can be overwhelming. It can be depressing. But the good news is that by making informed decisions, you can reduce your chemical toxin, load environmental toxin load by 80 or 90%. And well, the same is true of electromagnetic radiation. Now with knowledge comes power. And this knowledge should empower you to approach this more cautiously. And I would suggest the turning things off. Well, Lindesay mentioned that doesn’t help. I’ll be testing that. I’ll certainly be having links to Linde’s website where measuring in the house can be a real eye opener and I know it has been for me. And listen, I’m not I’m aware of this. I’m also using this kind of technology, but I try and keep it at least two metres away from my head at night. I don’t have Wi-Fi on at night. I probably should switch the whole house off at night. I don’t do that. But anyway, you can decide how to engage with this, but it’s at least you’re making an informed decision. And by making informed choices, you can, if you like, reduce your exposure to electromagnetic radiation by a considerable amount. I would imagine 70 or 80% at least. So we’ll have links to Linde’s website on our show notes which are w ww EMR australia.com dot u EMR Australia is one word.com.eu. I hope this finds you well. Until next time, this is Dr. Ron Erlich. Be well. Feeling stressed Overwhelmed. It’s time to Unstress your life. Join the Unstress health community and transform stress into strength. Build mental fitness from self-sabotage to self-mastery. And together, let’s not just survive, but thrive. Expert led courses, curated podcasts, like minded community and support, and much more. Visit Unstress health.com today. This podcast provides general information and discussion about medicine, health and related subjects. This content is not intended and should not be construed as medical advice or is a substitute for care by a qualified medical practitioner. If you or any other person has a medical concern, he or she should consult with an appropriately qualified medical practitioner. Guests who speak in this podcast express their own opinions, experiences and conclusions.