Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Hello and welcome to unstressed. I’m dr Ron Ehrlich. Now. My guest today is the legendary Udo Erasmus. He is an acclaimed author, speaker and inventor having invented the machinery for making oils, enzymes, prebiotics, and a lot more. He is also the founder of kudos choice, having pioneered flex seed oil and what many vegans and vegetarians rely on when they talk about healthy fats. Buddha has sold over 250,000 copies of numerous books including fats that heal fats that kill originally published in 1993 today, Hutto is a teacher at an that tiny Robbins events on oils and Deepak Chopra’s events on pace. He’s got an extensive education in biochemistry, genetics, biology and nutrition as well as a master’s degree in counseling psychology. His most recent focuses on sustainable energy and water management as well as healthcare based in nature and human nature and the first of the heart resulting in total health and what he calls white for it.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Total sexy health Udo has recognized something within us that he calls the thirst of the heart. We’ll talk about that, exploring some of the signs and symptoms that tell us your heart needs attention on, tell you your heart needs attention. We discuss the challenges of modern society and our approach to finding happiness, how people are blocking their own joy, the concepts of total sexy health. Again, who does words, but certainly get your attention and what steps you might take to achieve this and a whole lot more. I hope you enjoy this conversation I had with Udo Erasmus. Welcome to the show dough.
Udo Erasmus:
Hello Ron Erlick.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Udo, , you know, I said to you before we came on, this is my brush with fame for the day and there’s so much we can talk about. There’s so many fascinating things I wanted to cover, but I wonder if you might share with our listeners sort of a brief history of your story that brought you to this point.
Udo Erasmus:
Okay. Well, the long history is I was born to in Europe during the second world war and we were refugees when I was two, , fleeing from Poland into Germany. My parents were from Latvia and Estonia, , fleeing into Germany with the communists chasing us in tanks and trucks. And the allies were shooting at us from planes. Now they knew we were, there were only refugees on the, on those roads. And it was mostly women and children in horse, horse drawn wagons. And they were basically using us for target practice. These are the good guys, right? This was our site, the good guys. And I just don’t remember a lot of it other than the fear and the anxiety and the confusion and the chaos and hunger, you know, just like really basic feelings of Oh my God. And , that stayed with me. I was very shy as a kid and when I was six years old, we, we, you know, we got separated and I was left behind and eventually we got reunited.
Udo Erasmus:
And when I was six years old, , in Germany, I listened to people arguing about things that were really trivial and the thought of Kurt, to me, there must be a way that people can live in harmony. And I’m going to find out how. And that’s basically been my driver all my life. So I went and because it was chaotic, I went into science to understand how things work cause I was looking for some things I could rely on. Then I went into bio sciences to figure out how creatures work. Then I went into psychology to figure out how thinking works and eventually ended up going into self knowledge because they really needed to know how I work. Challenge for us all a challenge for us all. Yeah, of course, of course. And it’s the most neglected area is ourselves because our sensors always take us out away from ourselves and then we live our lives in interaction with the moving feast that is the world and the stability that we want is actually in behind our senses, not in front of it.
Udo Erasmus:
And we want to get stability from outside when stability is only inside because everything on the outside changes all the time. Something on the inside and lots of things on the inside change too. But something on the inside if you go deep enough is completely steady, not effected by stress. Drama and trauma takes, took perfect care of me through all my dramas and traumas during the war. And of course until I was about 27 I never, never gave that any thought. I was still complaining about the war that ended 24 years earlier. And one day it occurred to me, gee, you know, life took perfect care of me through all of that. And I haven’t given that any, maybe I should make, maybe I should make friends with that because that’s definitely been there for me. And then you can go even deeper than that and get into awareness, which is what, what energy comes, what energy comes out of.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Well, we’re going to, we’re going to talk about some of those things that’s so interesting to you. You have this sort of a, not a Tiffany will almost at the age of six. Cause of course it’s a very common thing to be said. Show me the boy, show me the boy at seven and I’ll show you the man. And I think, and I think to most men and women listening to this, , there’s probably something that happens to men in their late twenties that, , is a kinda growing up and , and this certain maturity occurs at that point. So you’ve had some, some turning points there. This, there’s so much you’ve said there and we’re going to cover some of that. , I bet. But of course, you know, I’ve known you your name anyways, so long for fats and , and fats is, you know, it’s been demonized for so many years. , and if the evidence is anything to go by that, , that advice hasn’t served us very well. We did we go wrong?
Udo Erasmus:
Well, yeah. Okay. And that’s, that’s the second story I have to get poisoned before I got interested in physical health and I ended up in fats because I realized it’s the most neglected area, most confusing, completely opposite stories. You know, that’s why the book is called fats that heal fats that kill. And you have to understand right from the get go, there are two opposite stories. And then you’re going to configure out, let me, which ones are the fats that healed you bring those in and the fats are killed. You, you, you leave those out. , where we went wrong, , is that the McGovern report in 1979, , demonized fats mainly because the essential fatty acids or the oils that we use, those are the most sensitive nutrients that we have. And they should actually get the most care because they’re sensitive to damage by light, oxygen and heat.
Udo Erasmus:
But we give them the least care, we throw them in the frying pan and we’re fray the hell out of them. And then they fry our health. And because of the, because the, we didn’t target the processing and the use of the fats that damaged them, they were associated with lots of problems. So because they did, they didn’t look at the processing, they’re just demonized all the fats. And then they said you should eat carbs instead. And they put the carbs on the bottom of the food pyramid. And in 20 years of following the high carb, you know what you should eat the most. At the bottom of the food pyramid, , overweight went from 25, not from 22, I can’t remember now, 25 to 60% of the population. And so we were doing a completely wrong, and nobody was questioning the August, , institutions that came up with this crap.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Yeah. Yeah. Well it’s, it’s a no, no. Well, Hey, we, you’re in good company here. Hood are, you are in very good company. This is something that I, I’ve often said it’s a great economic model that that advice was a terrific economic model fed by the food and pharmaceutical fed by the food and chemical industry and managed by the pharmaceutical
Udo Erasmus:
in that one for specially for the carb industry. Yeah. Kellogg’s. Kellogg’s probably did a dance in their kitchen. Yeah.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Now you’ve mentioned, now the other question before we get into, cause I wanted you to give me a sort of, give our listener a brief essential fatty acid one Oh one basics. But, but you know, it also intrigued me that so much of our body and our brain is made up of saturated fats and they got particularly demonized, didn’t they?
Udo Erasmus:
Right. And, okay, so, so I’ll give you the answer to all of what you just asked. So in the universe of fats, there are only two things you have to have. They’re called the essential fatty acids. One is called Omega six and one is called Omega three and those two, your body can’t make, like you cannot make them in your body from anything else. So they have to be supplied from outside. Everything else else is optional. Saturated fats and monounsaturated fats and medium chain triglycerides and all of that stuff. Those are optional. They’re fuel. Your body can burn them to make energy, but you have to have the essential fatty acids. Essential means can’t make them gotta have them try to get them from outside. If you don’t get enough, your health goes down. You get deficiency symptoms. They are D generative in nature. They get worse with time.
Udo Erasmus:
And if you don’t get enough long enough, you die. So this is like really important stuff. And if you’re going down because you’re not getting enough, but then you bring enough of this essential nutrient back into the dark diet, all of the problems that come from not getting enough are reversed because life knows how to build you a body that works, provided you take responsibility for bringing in all of the building blocks that it needs to do that job. And the essential nutrients that are defined that way too are the essential fatty acids that we’re just started talking about. And the others are, , 18 minerals, 13 vitamins, , and , eight to 11 essential amino acids that come from protein. Those are the essential nutrients. So those two, Omega three and six are essential by that definition. From those, the body makes a ton of other molecules that are Omega three and Omega six derivatives, including EPA and DHA that oils contain.
Udo Erasmus:
Those are not essential nutrients. Those are our essential nutrient derivatives that the body can make provided you get enough starting material. So that’s the, now when you get enough, they’re saturated. Fats had been demonized, you said. So here’s what happens when you are deficient in Omega threes, then saturated fat hurt you. The reason why they hurt you is because they make you more insulin sensitive. So that takes you towards diabetes and they make you platelets more sticky. So you’re more likely to get clots in arteries. But the Omega threes, which are too long or in 99%, the population do the opposite. They make you more insulin sensitive and they make your platelets less sticky so they protect you. So what we’ve done is we’ve demonized the saturated fats when the truth is they’re only a problem because we’re not getting the essential or mega three essential fatty acid. And then they hurt us because of that. So we should be blaming the problems that saturated fats cause on Omega three deficiency and we left out the context.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Hmm. And is it true that in nature, that balance in, in, in natural fats, if you like, is, is, is more imbalanced that Omega three, Omega six?
Udo Erasmus:
Well, it depends on where you go. If you’re close to the, the, , tropics, you get more saturated fats, like in coconut, very low in Omega threes, virtually none, little bit of Omega six, only like three, four, five, 6%. Then you go up to the Mediterranean, you get a lot of Mito and saturates, like in olive oil, 80% mine on saturated 20% or mega six nor Omega threes. Then you go into the temperate regions, you get higher Omega six, still relatively low Omega three, and then you get into the Arctic or Antarctic. And then there’s where you get the, the high Omega three, , foods including seafoods and, and, , seeds like flax. , those are Northern seeds and that makes sense because the saturated fats are cooling, which is good in the tropics and the Omega threes are warming, which makes sense in a, in a cold climate.
Udo Erasmus:
So, so what you get, so what you get changes depending on where you get it from. , but all of our oils have some saturate rated fats in them and all of them have some monounsaturated. A lot of the temperate region oils have Omega sixes, but not Omega threes. And then the Northern fats have, have some Omega threes. So I’ll make it, threes are harder to get in most civilized places then, , then the Omega sixes. And that’s part of the reason why we ended up in 10 times more or mega six than Omega three and maybe even 20 to 50 times more Omega six than three. And we should be getting about a two to one in favor of Omega three because that’s how we get our best results. More Omega three than Omega six, but enough or make a six not to become a mega 60 efficient because they also compete in the body.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Hmm. And, and the other thing that’s been happening, , and we can, nobody could really miss out on this as this push towards veganism and a kind of almost total of the animal. And the, and I’ve always thought that through history. I mean, through human history, we have had a relationship with animals, which has kind of brought us to this point. What’s your response to that when people start to demonize? , I mean the, there’s two points here, isn’t it? The ethics and the health. , how do you respond?
Udo Erasmus:
Yeah, I, I, I’m not gonna I’m just gonna deal with the health health aspect. Yeah, we are, it’s pretty clear that we’re not a hundred percent vegan by nature because as when you go on a whole food plant based diet, you’d have to take a B12 supplement, which comes from animal products and we don’t have a reliable source of that as a plant source. There may be some bacteria that have it, but there’s no commercial source that is really reliable. So my guess is we, we, we’re not vegan 100%, but in the old days when we had rocks to hunt with, we usually came home without meat. So mostly we ate vegetables except in a few areas, , like where the basin were and the buffaloes were and, and on the steps in Africa. But in most places there was lots of vegetables, not so many animals.
Udo Erasmus:
We ate mostly plant based diets and they had meat maybe a three times a year, four times a year, maybe once a month. But not more, not more than once a week. And when you overdo animal foods that’s associated with problems that you don’t get from plants, and the research now is very clear. You want the longest life and the healthiest life, it’s going to be hope food, plant-based. We’re not talking about sugar and margarine, we’re talking about whole foods, the way nature made him whole foods, plant-based plus a B12 supplement, lot of research. Now that is really hard to argue now. I think from a, from a, from the perspective of the planet, it’s also, , it’s also helpful to, to go more plant based than, than animal base.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Well, well I know we said we weren’t going to deal with the health aspect of it. We to, we only going to do with the health aspect, not the ethics, but I actually don’t think you can separate the two because so much of the research, in fact, so much of the protein that we consume is ethically a problem. And in my experience, what’s bad for the animal is usually bad for us and is usually bad for the planet. So the distinction between ethics and health is it very, you know, it’s a very important one because the type of research that’s done is often done on factory farmed animals and they’re very different. Yeah.
Udo Erasmus:
Right. And right. And that’s, and that’s also true that that the way wild animals live, they lived off nature the way nature is and what we’ve done in factory farming is cut corners, cut corners, cut and you know, throw in chemicals and throw in pesticides and throw in antibiotics and , you know, the, the animals are eating very simple diets. They’re not getting the herbs that dwell, you know, that that end up, you know, components of which ended up in the meat that make the meat better as well. So we’ve made a lot of changes and again, from that perspective, the problem is a processing problem and how much of the damage that that animal based foods do is due to the, to the way we grow them. And how much is due to the fact that we’re over eating animal foods. I’m not sure that the, that the, the, it’s completely clear yet, but both of them are issues.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Yeah. Yeah. Well I’m sure we can talk, , you know, we can have how different.
Udo Erasmus:
Yeah. And then we’ve also become more sedentary and that changes what is the best, what is the best eating program for us as well.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Now, now, one of the things I wanted to ask you about is the, you recognize something within is that you call the thirst of the heart. And that term intrigued me. Can you tell me a bit more about it?
Udo Erasmus:
Yes. This is the, this is the deep, this is the deep conversation. We just talked, talked about what to do for the body. , when I was 17, my heart ached and I couldn’t find distractions for it. And it, it may well be that the war had something to do with that as well, that it, it was that early for me or that I ran out of distraction so early. My heart would ache. I’ll in my chair would ache all the time. I couldn’t shake it. I didn’t know what it was. Nobody wanted to talk about it. People would say, why don’t think about it, they’ll just drive you crazy. But I couldn’t shake it. Or they’d say, why didn’t you just get a job like your brother?
Udo Erasmus:
That didn’t help a lot either. And I eventually found out that the thirst of the heart, I call it now the, the greatest gift that we’ve been given other than being alive and [inaudible] of the heart has many names. I’ve got 10 pages of different names. Sometimes they called longing or loneliness or blues. That’s when it’s when your relationship ends or sorrow, sadness, when grandma dies or somebody close to you dies or moves away or your or, , the restlessness, emptiness, drivenness, striving. , , so there, there a lot of, a lot of names for it in different settings. We use different names for it. And what that is, is that when we were in our mother’s womb, there was nothing to do. There was nowhere to go. It was safe and everything was taken care of. So our awareness didn’t go anywhere. It just was hanging out in its source insight in life.
Udo Erasmus:
But then when we came out into the world and we had to, our awareness went out through our sensors because we had to get to know the world. And in that process of getting to know the world, we went from being our awareness inside, but absent outside, present inside, but absent outside, we went to awareness, present outside, but absent insight and that’s where our heartache began. And what heartache is if you, if you don’t assign a meaning to an external meaning to it actually what happens when ever we lose something dear to us, we get, we go back to that feeling and it can be so many different ways that we lose something. It pulls us, it brings us back to our loss of ourselves. That happened way back when. And it’s our heart calling our attention to come back home to life. And only when we do that will we ever feel completely fulfilled because the fulfillment already lives within us. But if our awareness is not inside, but outside, we are not going to feel the wholeness. That is our basic nature.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Mmm Hmm. Well, I mean, I mean, , this is the case in the issues around, well, mental health is, is a kind of a diagnosable thing. But of course, , you know, the, the trends are quite disturbing in, in certainly in Australia I’m sure in the North American area as well. They are a huge and growing problem for young and old. The like, and I guess, you know, we live in this attention economy where we have very little
Udo Erasmus:
time to reflect. Does that mean no where we no, no, no. Where we make very little time.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Yes. Okay. We do have control. We do have control.
Udo Erasmus:
Yeah. Right, exactly. Exactly. But think about it like, if you’re going to live a life is like work hard, you know how they say work hard, play hard, where’s the balance in that? Burnout is the result of that or getting into your head and trying to try to move all the pieces around. So, so something comes together for you. And burnout is what it comes from. That if you’re gonna work hard and you’re going to play hard, then you should also do nothing hard and take time for being where you actually spend time voluntarily alone with all your gadgets and all your distractions shut off and you just spent time feeling what it feels like to be in the space that your body occupies. And when you do that, first you get bored because you’re addicted to activity. But when you, you know, if you fall in love with the boredom, basically you’re going to notice how incredibly peaceful it feels and how completely whole you feel when you get in touch with your being. So we’re out of doing and intubating and in being is where all of your inspiration and all of your insights and all of your, your, your inventions and all your genius are sitting, waiting to be discovered because the genius in you is actually life, not your head, your head to suppose ed is supposed to serve your life. But if you’re out of touch with life, then your head just serves reactions basically.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Hmm. Well, I mean, you know the problem you do. What do you see is this major problem in, in ma, in modern society? I mean, you know, this lack of reflection, lack of time to reflect.
Udo Erasmus:
Yeah. We not look, we know what we were, where’s our awareness? It’s either in the outside world, through our senses or in our head, , you know, thinking about what we’ve seen or it’s with out on other people and where it’s net, where it’s hardly ever is in our own basic nature insight. That’s, that’s really a crazy, yeah. And then you look at then, and then what happens then you feel this heartache. You know, drug addicts are famous for having heartache. So what are the, the people who, who treat them, they say, don’t dwell on the heartache. Find something to distract yourself. Well, that’s what they did. They took drugs to distract themselves from the heartache that they feel because nobody will tell him, listen, sit with the heartache. It won’t hurt you. It won’t kill you. It’ll be uncomfortable. Don’t judge it. Sit with it.
Udo Erasmus:
Because not even a millimeter behind it is the wholeness that you’re looking for is the fulfillment that you’re looking for. Is the piece you’re looking for is the love you’re looking for is the being that you’re looking for is the self that you’re looking for is the, is the perfection that you’re looking for all built in, all built in, but even even when we try to treat them and by the way in depression a lot of depression also comes from that thirst of the hour because you get when you can’t figure out why, why you’re aching and you don’t know what to do about it, you get to a point where you feel hopeless or when you feel hopeless. Depression is a Siamese twin of hopelessness.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Hmm. I’m often reminded of this, a long study done at Harvard university which looks at health, wellness and longevity. Think that it’s gone over 75 years and interestingly they’ve come up with the fact that relationships are the key, the best predictor if you like. It doesn’t have to necessarily been a significant other, although if you’re lucky enough, that’s great.
Udo Erasmus:
I guess I’m famous enough to disagree with Harvard. And I’ll tell you why if he, because if you look at relationship, relationship is the, is the source of enormous misery on this planet, right? So you say, isn’t it? Isn’t it 60% of them and in the divorce and in divorce courts and then they fight about the children and they, you know, I, I have my own experiences in that regard. But, but here’s the problem. Here’s the problem and this is what I tell my kids. Not that they listened to me, but this is what I say. Listen until you have a relationship with your life, why do you think anybody could trust you to have a relationship with another life? So what I say to them is do your homework. When you feel whole because you are present in your own space, then you can have a good relationship and try to be with somebody who also, who also takes responsibility for that.
Udo Erasmus:
Because if you don’t do that, then you expect, then you’re going to expect the relationship to fulfill you. And an outside relationship cannot fulfill you when the problem is your disconnection from your interior self. No, no. So no. So when you, if you have done that homework, then you don’t read it. Need a relationship for a long life. I’ve been living by myself for a long time. I have, I’m going to live longer than just about everybody who was married and it’s not, and I’m not against relationships. I’m not against relationship. What I’m for is people, us doing our homework and not only bad relationships, but every, all the crap we’re doing thing on the planet, all the environmental problems and all the relationship problems and all the Wars and all the stealing and all the lying and all of that, all of it began begins with the disconnect from self that leads to what I call thirst of the heart, that it becomes our driving force because our deepest driving forest and Alfred Adler, the psychologist concurs with me on that said the deepest driving force, the basic driving force is our drive to find fulfillment or wholeness and we, because we don’t know it’s on the inside built in.
Udo Erasmus:
We’re trying to create it on the outside through all this stuff that we do. And if we, if we, if something simple doesn’t do it, then we make it a little more complicated. And if that doesn’t do it, then we make it illegal. And if that doesn’t do it, then we go and kill some people. And all of that is in the service of us trying to get back to the wholeness that we had in our mother’s womb that is built into us. But that our awareness straight away from,
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Hmm. Well this is probably a good time to segue into another term that I, I loved when I, you know, you talked about the thirst of the heart and then you have this concept of total sexy health and the eight steps to achieve it. Go and share that with us. Yeah, yeah.
Udo Erasmus:
Okay. So I, , I ha I have three missions in life. One is to make sense of fats and how and how they affect health. And that’s more or less done, although obviously not everybody in the world knows it yet. , the second one was to turn human nature into a teachable field. I took a year of medicine because I wanted to learn what health is, sorry, a health into a teachable field. I went to medicine to learn what health is and found out that they only teach about disease. And I was shocked and I went to the Dean and I said, what is health? He said, we don’t know. We’re working on it. Oh man was, I was disappointed. And then we were told that a doctor should always sound as though he knows what goes, what’s going on even when he doesn’t. And that was the end was the end of my medical career because I wasn’t going to spend my time lying to people.
Udo Erasmus:
So I went back into bio sciences. Cause in biological sciences you learn what helps is only they don’t call it that, but you’re studying the normal functioning of normal creatures. Right? So, so I decided I wanted to learn how to turn health into a teachable field after 200,000 years of living on this planet, we ought to have that. It’s so basic that we ought to have given that some priority and we haven’t. I used to like how crazy, how crazy army. So I said, okay, I’m going to turn health into teachable field and I’m going to do the same thing with human nature. Cause if you don’t know who you are, you don’t know what you’re good for. And so those two turned out to be actually very similar. So what I did is I did an overview book. It’s called the book on total sexy health, the eight key parts designed by nature and five of those parts are internal and, and three of the parts are external.
Udo Erasmus:
So they are internal awareness that’s behind. That’s, that’s sort of the, the foundation of the universe is, is, is , or the physicists call it the field. The religious people call it God, I call it awareness. It is the container out of which everything comes and into which everything disappears when its cycle is done. So internal awareness, that’s internal to me. That’s where, that’s my, my access to it. Next is life, energy and life energy basically life. The thing that when it separates from your provider, your, your body is dead, right? That’s the energy. And you can see it. You can hear it, you can taste it, you can feel it inside. If you know, if you have learned to concentrate insight. So you can actually see that and it’s, it’s unbelievably powerful. Not only are you in touch with your power, but you’re also in touch with your window wisdom.
Udo Erasmus:
If you have a question about living, why not ask life? And if you’re going to ask life, then you’ve got to crawl in South side and be there. So that’s number two. Number three is inspired creativity. And that’s sort of the externalization of the energy of life. It’s the shine. It’s like w the ways of the sunshine is the outside of the sun. You know this, the sun itself is life. The shine sunshine is, is like inspired creativity. And that’s where your invention and your creativity and your genius and all of that comes from. And that’s usually really about, , creating things that make life easier or more fulfilling or better or get or less painful. And then comes physical body that’s about food and fitness and digestion and activity and rest basically and detox. , that’s where most people spend their health time. Although health is obviously much more comprehensive than that.
Udo Erasmus:
Then the fifth one is called survival smarts and that’s your connection to how to, how to be, how to have the skills and the calmness to deal with crises. And then the next one is social group. Then the next one is, you know, that’s about belonging and how do you maintain your uniqueness when there’s always a pressure to conform and not be yourself. So that that’s a challenge. And then there’s a nature planet solar system that’s about the environmental issues. And then the last one is a big picture. I call that in infinite awareness and infinite awareness and an internal awareness are exactly the same thing. Only if you go into the internal awareness and you, you notice, you go with it, you notice that that internal awareness does not end where your body ends. It actually goes out to infinity and that’s experiential and end it.
Udo Erasmus:
It’s also about coming to terms with the fact that here I am in a little body that is temporary in a very big universe and being okay and being, being okay and not being neurotic about the fact that one day my body’s going to quit and and living in a, in a a sense of that wholeness. That’s the eight parts. The reason I called the book and total sexy health, it’s very catchy. It’s very catchy. I saw that on the shelf. I’d probably pick it up. Yeah, and now you know what? I didn’t, it wasn’t even my idea. A guy, the guy who was doing my editing, he said, you don’t know total total global health. It’s really boring. Why don’t you call it a total sexier? I said, I can’t do that. I don’t know enough about, I don’t know anything about sexy. Then I started thinking about it and I was like, no shit.
Udo Erasmus:
I know a lot about sexy. Everybody does, and sexy is not about, it’s not about having sex, it’s about showing up. It’s about being present. It’s about being full on. It’s about, you know, and we talk about sexy art and sexy architecture and sexy ideas and you know, the word has a wide range. It’s always something that gets your attention. And we’ve been using sex, the power word to sell all kinds of junk on this planet. And it’s about time somebody used the word sexy to sell people on themselves. That’s what I get to do with the title.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Yeah, well I mean that structure that that could walk us through that whole, that whole thing showing up, being present. I mean that’s, that’s our perhaps our biggest challenge. We’ll have plenty of challenges but that’s a big one isn’t it?
Udo Erasmus:
And let me see one more thing. Each one of those eight parts that, that designed by nature that I just talked about has a different nature and a different function needs a different kind of attention. It needs attention on a regular basis, goes off in a different way and response to a different kind of intervention. You want to live a whole life fully aligned with the eight parts of nature and your nature. You got to give each part it’s due. And so I lay it out that way because then you can look at it and say, well, yeah, I’m doing this pretty good and I’m doing this pretty good. I think this maybe needs a little more attention and maybe this needs a little more attention and maybe the balance between them needs a little bit of attention, but literally it’s like a roadmap for living fully present. When you’re fully present in all of your being and your surroundings, you will not be lost in thoughts in your head and you’ll be able to live and respond and and dance in the world that you’re living in. That’s the, that’s the cherish state.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
We seem, we seem also to be so disconnected from nature and that’s an important what? What do you, what’s the connection to our own internal wellbeing and living in harmony with nature? What do you mean?
Udo Erasmus:
Well, well, what the biggest disconnection is with our own nature. We’re disconnected from our, our internal awareness. We’re disconnected from our life energy. We’re generally speaking, most people, not most people, but the majority of people are not inspired either. So the three most basic internal parts were disconnected from, well, you know, if I am disconnected from the three most innermost parts of my being, I’m going to be disconnected from YouTube and I’m going to be, I’m going to be basically disconnected from everything. Cause who’s look at, I don’t even know who’s looking, I don’t even know connection is if I don’t have a connection to myself.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Yeah. Well and, and,
Udo Erasmus:
and then, and then, and then because it don’t have that connection, I don’t feel fulfilled. So I kind of feel, you know, if I am connected, Oh my God, I want to live as long as I can and do whatever it takes to have the best journey because this is an incredible journey. I’m in awe of that journey when I’m not connected, I’m not so inspired and maybe I just do the minimum, you know? And then if I’m really disconnected and I just feel like crap, then I go kill myself.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Hmm. I mean, I, I remember one, one quote, the mini where I think Mark said it that religion was the opioid or the masses or something. But I think actually what’s, what’s happened is
Udo Erasmus:
no, the OPI, there was the opposite
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
opiate opiate opiod. But, but anyway, yeah, the opiate to kill the pain anyway. But, but, , GE technologies kind of stepped into that role and , we don’t seem to be doing well because of it. Do we? What are you, what’s your view of the role of technology in our model?
Udo Erasmus:
You know, I, I have a little quote. I say Google gets you everything except yourself, right? It’s just, look, it’s just another distraction. But you don’t, you know, I had people say, Oh, we have more distractions. No, you know what? You only need one distraction. And you know, in the old days, you know, if the monk was sitting in the monastery and a girl went by and he saw her through the window, he got distracted. You don’t need me. Do you only need one distraction to lose your connection to yourself. So if you have a thousand distractions to choose from, you’ll be distracted. In wild, you’re choosing the distraction, but one distract. That’s the other distraction you need. So, so technology has made it possible for doing incredible things on the planet. If we use the technology and the technology isn’t using us, so many of us are addicted to their technology because we don’t have a message and we don’t have a message because we don’t have ourselves.
Udo Erasmus:
The message is embedded in life. What is the message? You know, 8 billion people could live their lives lit up from within because the light’s already there. It’s just a matter of looking into it instead of looking away from it. When we do that, we will feel so cared of because we are perfectly cared for by life every moment of every day through all of the dramas, all our traumas, all the situations we will feel so cared for that we won’t steal each other’s junk when we stopped stealing each other’s junk. We can live in harmony. When we live in harmony, making sure that everybody’s basic needs are met is becomes very easy, but we’re not going to fix the environment and we’re not going to fix the relationships. We’re not going to fix the international issues and we’re not going to fix our health issues until we feel cared for.
Udo Erasmus:
And to do that, we have to come home to ourselves. And that requires us making the time to sit with ourselves and discover how incredibly rich we were created to be. It’s all built in. It’s all, we came loaded with all this stuff and we’re just looking away from it and see where is it, where is it, where is it? And you know, Oh, I need that because I, you know, I’ll feel better if I kill that guy or I’ll feel better if I have a big car or I’ll see better if I can land this woman. Well, I’ll feel better if I can have sex with a different woman every day. You know, it’s like, and it’s all just like grasping on the outside for it stuff that we’re sitting in.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
So, so we’re coming to the end of our chat in here. It’s a compilation. We’re almost there. But if somebody was listening to this and you had to give them three, four, or five pills of wisdom, which incorporated, you know, your three missions in life, , what, what, what would they be?
Udo Erasmus:
I think the first one I would do is, , I would say to, you know, make time to sit still and then I, I, I close my eyes and say, okay, sit down. If you’re driving, don’t do this. Close your eyes, , and see how still you can become and see how deeply still you can become and see how long you can be still. And notice how beautifully quiet it is and notice how peaceful it is. And notice how totally stress-free is that space in you and practice that until you get good at it. If you practice it and you think you still need help, then go and read a book about it or go and talk to somebody who knows more about it than you do or try to find somebody who can teach you a method that can happen. And there’s lots of people with lots of methods. The issue isn’t the message you use, the issue is that you get to that place and that depends more on you wanting to actually do it, which is why I, the thirst of the heart is such a gift.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Yeah.
Udo Erasmus:
[inaudible] you wanting to do it is more important than the message you use and, and, and then the other one is, I would say, I would say make time from now until the time your body goes horizontal permanently every day. Just like you go to the bathroom every day, just like you eat breakfast everyday, just like you sleep every day, every day. Spend some voluntary solitary time with yourself and fall in love with the magnificence of your own being. And once you do that and feel taken care of, you know, then it’s like people see me, Oh Libby, that’s narcissistic. No, we’re not narcissistic enough. Because if we do that, and when I started doing that, I got to a place where I said, okay, I’m, I’m taken care of. If I don’t feel taken care of, I know where to go to feel taken care of. That’s easy enough to do. Now, where can I help? What needs to be done? How can I, how can I make life better for other people because it’s not about me anymore.Udo Erasmus:
So that’s, that’s my, , yeah. Yeah. And, and get as present as you can in your life because you, you have this incredible, magnificent gift and you have it only for a short time and every, every moment your dog enjoy the, the, the grandeur of that gift is, , is, is a, is a moment you will never get back, is completely wasted. And all the little, the little things you’ve got to do on the outside. Yeah. You’ve got to do all that stuff. But it’s, you know, keep it simple. It’s not that, it’s not that time consuming, more important than all the stuff you do is the time you spend in that presence because that’s where the most joy and the most fulfillment and the most, all the good stuff you want more of it is in you than anywhere else for you.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
I, I remember, , consulting with a doctor years and years ago and turned into a psychotherapy session and he, and he said to me when he started doing medicine, it was interested in health. He thought everything was physical and then he thought everything was mental after a few years and now he realizes everything is spiritual.
Udo Erasmus:
Yeah, no, it’s, it’s an energy and ask her that. He’ll find out. It’s all awareness.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s fine. So listen, finally I, and we’re all on this health journey together. You know, taking a step back from your role as a, as a scientist and a and a therapist and all of this, we’re on a, on a health journey throughout this Manuel, what do you think the biggest challenges for you for people on their health journey through life in our modern world?
Udo Erasmus:
I, I, it goes back to that, goes back to that, yeah, it goes back to, it goes back to getting in touch with you because if you, I’ll give you an example. If a healing has a lot to do with energy. So when you’re, you’re really low in energy, you tend to get sick of blood more. What is it that gets you energy? What is, how do you get energy? You know, you can drink coffee and still be depressed. So harder, a little bit harder, but, but you drink coffee and be depressed, but you cannot be depressed if you’re, if you’re in the light, that is your own being. There is no illness in that place. So if you can get to that place, you can literally rebuild your, your body by rebuilding your mind. Because a lot of our illness comes from us telling us, I’m no good.
Udo Erasmus:
I’m not good enough. Nobody loves me. I’m a bad boy. You know, we got told all that kind of stuff and, or, or we invented it ourselves, you know, and, and we talk ourselves into so many problems. I don’t know if I can do that. I don’t know. I don’t know why she doesn’t love me. You know? And then you, you, it’s like we invent our problems into being with our mind. And, and when you feel how incredible it is to be alive, then that feeds your mind a different set of, wow, that’s incredible. Oh look, Oh, what an adventure. Oh, you know, I have a, I have a black door on our Arbonne, Mike. You know? Well, what a nice pattern. I mean, all kinds of things start to happen where you’d started to enjoy the outside world too because you are, and then you bringing that into the outside world and then you’re changing the outside world from your inner state. Because we are leaders in our lives and the kind of leader we are is 100% dependent on our state of being because we cannot but radiate our state of being. So how do you get the best state of being deeper? Your goal better as a state becomes deeper, you go inside better. The state becomes,
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
you know, what a great note to finish on. And, , I know you’ve been famous for who does choice, but if this is who does choice, I think it’s a wonderful piece of advice and say, thank you so much for sharing your wisdom with us today.
Udo Erasmus:
Thank you. And you are, your name means honest. You know that, right?
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Do know that. I do know that I don’t like to hop on it for too much, but I like to think, I like to think it’s what guides my podcast and most of my writings and work. So I hope I’m living up to my name. Yes sir.
Udo Erasmus:
No, no, exactly. Being true to your name is if you have a good name, be try to be true to it. If, if you don’t have a good name, change it. Thanks. Yeah, thank you.
Dr Ron Ehrlich:
Well, we’ll have the links to who does website and his book total sexy health. Now don’t forget to download the unstressed app. You can do that on the app store, on or on Google play and it just keeps you up to date with episodes, blogs, courses and events that are going to be going on. 2020 is an exciting year for us, so stay in touch and of course to leave a review on iTunes, it makes a big difference. So until next time, this is dr Ron Ehrlich, be well,
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