ARCHIVE | Dr Bruce Lipton – A New Hope, Epigenetics and the Subconscious Mind

FROM THE ARCHIVE - Join Dr Ron Ehrlich in a thought-provoking episode of "Unstress" as he converses with Dr Bruce Lipton about the power of belief and epigenetics. Dr Lipton, a cell biologist and author, shares insights on how our perceptions shape our biology and influence our health and reality, offering empowering knowledge that can lead to profound personal transformation.


[00:00:05] Introduction to the episode, context setting for the series, and general welcome.

[00:01:11] Introduction of Dr. Bruce Lipton and his background in cell biology.

[00:03:04] Dr. Lipton discusses the influence of environment and evolution on current challenges.

[00:04:32] Historical overview of scientific developments from René Descartes to Newton and the mechanical view of the universe.

[00:17:19] Transition to a discussion on quantum physics, the material and energetic universe, and its implications for everyday life.

[00:21:42] Exploration of epigenetics, how thoughts and environment influence gene expression.

[00:33:03] Detailed exploration of epigenetic control and its inheritance, and debunking the myth that genes are destiny.

[00:35:36] Discussion on the concepts of survival and fitness, and the shift towards understanding cooperation in evolution.

[00:40:10] The roles of the conscious and subconscious mind in shaping behavior and potential.

[01:02:27] Conclusion and reflections on personal empowerment and health, control over personal genetics, and the impact of belief systems on health.

[01:07:31] Closing thoughts, summary of key points from the episode, and outro.


ARCHIVE | Dr Bruce Lipton: A New Hope, Epigenetics and the Subconscious Mind 

Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:00:05] Hello and welcome to Unstress in the summer series for 22 and 21. What are you 20 not 20? 20 has been and we have curated some episodes which we think were particularly relevant to what has been going on. I hope you’re having a great break. Looking forward to the New Year and catching up then. Until then, I hope you enjoyed this episode. Hello and welcome to Unstress. I’m doctor Ron Ehrlich. My guest today is the legendary doctor Bruce Lipton. Bruce’s background is cell biology. He has a PhD in cell biology. Appropriate in many ways, as they are the building blocks of nature and is a starting point. And it’s a good place to begin. Bruce has written many books. His 2003 book, The Biology of Belief, is one which I would definitely include on my must read books. What I loved about it is his explanation of the emerging and empowering science of epigenetics. That is your thoughts. Here’s an example of what we’re talking about. Your thoughts are things. They are actual proteins called neurotransmitters serotonin, dopamine, adrenaline, which attach to cell membranes and cause your genes to express themselves. And that expression, that gene expression is inheritable over the next few generations. So you are not a victim to your genes. You have some control over how they are expressed and the same and not. And I personally found that enlightening and empowering. And for me, it was just profound. And I wanted to share this with you. And and really, the same is true for nutrients and environmental toxins. But that’s the subject for another podcast. When I was in high school, I didn’t really like physics. And when the subject of quantum physics came up, well, I was lost. But another thing I love about Bruce Lipton is he explains the relevance to us on a daily basis of Newtonian and quantum physics. That’s a big call, but it’s also empowering. In this episode, we cover history from French philosopher and mathematician René Descartes to Isaac Newton, and on to Albert Einstein. We talk about matter and energy. We talk about material, mechanical and physical world that we see and the other world energy, spirit and mind, which we don’t see always. We talk about the conscious and the unconscious mind. If you thought seeing is believing, you may want to rethink that one. We cover so much territory here and Bruce is a powerhouse, so knowledgeable, so passionate, so empowering. So listen carefully. You may want to listen to it again. I hope you enjoyed this conversation I had with Bruce Lipton. Welcome to the show, Bruce.


Dr Bruce Lipton [00:03:04] Ron, thank you so very much for this opportunity. I’m so excited to be here and talk with you and especially your audience. We know there’s, chaos in the world. It seems like everything’s going crazy, but underneath there’s an event that’s happening and we’re going through an evolution. And so, your audience, really represents what I call the, Cultural Creatives are looking for answers outside the box. Because to get through this period of time, the conventional answers are failing us. And there’s a new world, a new science. And I’m so excited to be here with you to discuss it.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:03:38] Thank you so much. And I know before we came on, we were just reflecting on on the state of the world at the moment. And I think we both agreed that engagement, getting involved, taking control, being being part of the solution, rather than reflecting just on all the problems is a really key, important point. And to that effect, you know, you have been a great source of inspiration. I know to me, and also many people I’ve wanted to cover a few things here because you talk and write about so many things, and we’re going to have links to all of those later. But, you know, people, take we seem to be taking a very mechanistic view of things health wise. Certainly, you know, the body’s compartmentalised into all these specialities. And we seem to be taking a very compartmentalised view of the world. Can can you reflect on how we got to that point and, and, how we might move on?


Dr Bruce Lipton [00:04:32] Yeah. It’s actually, an ancient history in our sense of time right now. It goes back to the 1700s, late 16, 1700s. And, this is a time when, the church was running civilisation. And the the belief, of course, was that God and spirit, these invisible forces were controlling life. And, at this time, anybody who thought different than that would go through the Inquisition, which was, a kangaroo court for you Aussies. In a sense that if you got convicted of being a heretic, there was no way you were going to escape punishment. And they punished anybody who thought outside the box. Well, this is really difficult for scientists because, as soon as they found something that didn’t agree with what the Bible said, they were, by definition, heretics. So science was really repressed. But Isaac Newton came up with, an understanding of the universe, which simply represented this. He said, actually, let’s go about 100 years before Newton. And, we have Rene Descartes, and he comes up with the concept of a mind body. And so that becomes part of our intellectual thinking. There’s a mind and there’s a body. But he’s also interesting point was, at the time of, when he was alive, that’s when they invented mechanical clocks. And the concept of all these gears turning and telling time really reflected on him when he looked up at the heavens above and he said, you know, you can tell time by the movements of these planets and these stars. So it’s like, to him all of a sudden, the idea that the universe is a mechanism, was very appealing. And it looked and said, so it’s mechanical. Well, you know, this is obviously, not in the tradition of the church, which is everything is spiritual. And he was looking at mechanical, but there was nobody to follow until Newton, about 100 years later, started to consider the idea that the planets and things moving around, were indeed an expression of mechanics. And, so what was really interesting is to understand the nature of these movements. Nobody really recognises before he could do anything in the world of physics, the first thing he developed and people I said don’t even recognise it as calculus. He had to create the mathematics of calculus in order to, you know, measure the movements of the different planets in the sky. And he creates calculus, and then he puts the data in about the planets, and he could observe how big the planet is, how fast it’s moving, and the arc that it’s moving in. And he put these physical parameters into his equation, and he was able to predict the movements of the planets and the stars, in fact, like it was a clock. And it’s a mechanism. And what was very important about Newton is that he didn’t put God or spirit into his equation. It’s just mechanical stuff. So at that point, it became a concept that the physical world in which we live and the planets and all the things and us and everything material was part of a mechanical, material, physical world, and it was separate from an invisible world. And he said, okay, there’s an invisible world, and there’s a mechanical world where we can observe and work with the mechanical world, the invisible world. We had nothing to do with it. And so this is the first separation of what you call physics from metaphysics. Physics said we study the physical body. Metaphysics is. We study the energy and all that. So that separation allowed science to operate independently of the church because I said, oh, spirit and God does that. We don’t deal with that. And that’s for God and church. And they left that alone, including mind, which was part of that invisible stuff. Mind’s invisible. And they put that all aside and said, it’s not part of our science, because it’s not it’s not mechanical. It’s not physical, it’s energy. And we don’t need to have energy in the equation because we can see how the universe moves without energy in the equation. So, there was a separation of the universe and the two realms matter and energy. Anything made out of matter would only be affected by other forms of matter, and energy could affect energy. But there was no body or matter energy connection at all. And so the first part of science took out all energy and invisible forces and including spirit out of the equation, saying it’s not relevant. And medicine then tried to understand the nature of human body, only looking at it as a mechanical machine made out of physical parts, and if there’s something wrong with it, you can adjust the parts, chemicals, drugs and fix the machine. So we took energy totally out of the equation is not being relevant, which of course includes mind and consciousness. And so we come into a world, of the world that we created today, which is based on that science, which is actually referred to as scientific materialism, meaning the science of the physical mechanical universe, which is separate, of course, from the energy. So, trying to understand the body means that you don’t need to bring in God, spirit, mind and consciousness. You just need to understand the physical chemicals. Well, of course, this was the separation of the universe in the two realms. But in 1925, physics had changed his belief system up to about 1895. The mechanical version of the Newtonian world said atoms and the name atom came from the Greek word uncountable. Atom. Uncountable meant the smallest particle in the universe. So they recognised there were these little particles, like sand grains that are very small, called atoms. And there are different kinds of atoms. And when you assemble them like a recipe, you can make a cake or a pie, depending on how you assemble these atoms. They said that’s how the universe is created. Atoms are assembled into all these different, arrangements that we see. And yet what happened was, in 1895, science found out there was something inside the atom. So it wasn’t the smallest thing or something there saying they found electrons, protons and neutrons, these small particles. Oh, okay. The atom is now made like a little solar system with a nucleus of protons and neutrons and electrons like planets flying all around. And that was the vision of the atom, that they created, and then by around 1910, 1920, for sure, they also found out, well, what are those particles made out? What’s a proton made out of? What is a neutron made atom? And they had the opportunity to go smaller. And then the biggest surprise was as they went into the particle and went deeper, they found there was no matter inside the particle was energy. There was there’s nothing physical. It was the appearance of physicality that an atom is made out of energy units. And these energy units are like, well, like let’s say cyclone or tornado spinning forces, very forces, and that the atom had no structure inside. It was only our illusion or perception of it as being physical, that we see physicality and centre. And it’s interesting because Einstein, when he wrote, he said matter is an illusion, albeit, like, a permanent illusion in the sense that, he actually tells a persistent matter as a persistent illusion, the belief that we, the world is made out of matter and we say, well, wait, look at wherever you are right now. You’re sitting down or standing up. You’re in a building and there’s trees and things all around. You go, well, look at all these physical things. And I go, the illusion. And I go, here’s what the illusion is all about. The atoms are like tornadoes. They’re force fields. They’re nothing physical in. They’re just like, energy winds. And they create pressure. Okay. But they also create an energy field. And I say, why is irrelevant. Because when the light is on, when there’s light, the photons of light, which are little particles of light, bounce off the surface of what we perceive as matter, so that the energy that the matter is made out of is you can’t see the energy. What you see are the photons of light bouncing back. So in other words, you can’t see anybody when it’s dark because there’s no photons. When there are photons, all you’re seeing is reflection of the photons from the light source coming back to your eye. But under that veneer of photons, there’s no physical structure. So everything you see is a reflection of light bouncing back. It’s an illusion of light that is created and the appearance of matter. But underneath that light, there’s nothing physical. And then people are going, okay, wait, there’s nothing physical. But even in the dark, I can feel here. In the dark, I can touch things. So there must be something physical because it’s in the dark. I can feel it. And then I go. Well, here’s the point. If if there’s a tornado and you try to push your way through a tornado, the fact is that a tornado picks up houses and cars and throws it up in the air. There’s a force I said was irrelevant. If the force pushes against you. It feels solid. If you can push against the force. It feels softer. So basically everything that we feel that is hard the wall, the trees, you know, physical things, they’re hard because the little, tornado force fields that make up the atoms are so powerful like tornadoes that you can’t push through them. They push back. And so again, what’s the point? We created an illusion that there’s a physical world and an energy world. And in the beginning, we said they don’t even interact with each other. Then we find out in quantum physics. And that’s where the new physics came from. They said, wait, it’s not matter at all. It’s all energy. And the relevance about that one makes something very important matter. But pieces are made out of matter. I can separate A from B and say, look at piece and separated from piece B, I got that. That’s true. That’s a the illusion of the illusion because the atoms are energy fields, and energy fields don’t have any borders to them. So wherever you’re sitting right now, there are cell phone, broadcast, radio, broadcast, TV broadcasts. This if you’re on a computer broadcast coming into the room right now, and all of this energy is like, you can’t separate them. And I say, well, why is irrelevant. Well, everything that is that has the appearance of matter is energy and by definition is connected to everything security. And so we’re in a matrix of energy and, and, and this becomes profoundly important because there’s an illusion of separation, but we’re not nothing is really separated because everything is an energy field. It’s like a giant lake. And the rain is pouring down and the ripples are spreading all over the lake. But the point is, each ripple set is derived from a raindrop hitting the water. But if you look at the lake, the ripples are all merging with each other connected. The whole point is the energy is it is, reveals a wholeness. And that is so profoundly different than Newtonian physics. You know, physics which represents a duality of two non-interacting structures. We find everything is always interacting. Everything is from one. Everything is energy. It’s invisible. And you say, I can see the physical stuff. I say, yeah, but you know what? You radiate energy and you can see it with, certain kinds of, microscopy. Like all the new energy scans, like Cat scans, MRI scans, Pet scans, these high tech energy scans, what they’re used for medicine. They’re not cameras that take pictures of things. They’re. They read energy fields, so they look at the body, by looking at the energy fields, can determine the characteristics of a cancer versus a normal body cell, because they have different energies. So all of a sudden, I say, guess what? Medicine which was so fixated on the physical body, there’s a machine made out of chemicals and genes and all that is now using your technology says, I can read the body’s functions not through the matter, but by reading energy scans of the body. And I go, yeah, the energy is the core of what we are.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:17:19] So it’s it’s interesting, isn’t it, that we have accepted energy as a physical reality around us in that we use it, as you say, all the time, and we’re surrounded by it with phones. Our TVs are everything we we do. We are accepting energy. But philosophically, this is part of the problem, isn’t it, that philosophically we’re still caught in this Newtonian, you know, seeing is believing touching. And that’s part of the problem. We’re almost there. We’re almost there because we’ve accepted it on a on so many different levels. But philosophically, we haven’t as a, as a, as a country, as individuals, a lot a lot of individuals have obviously those that have been listening to you for. Many years have. But but, you know, we haven’t quite got there as a, as a nation, as a, as a community, as a world.


Dr Bruce Lipton [00:18:08] It is a very difficult as as Einstein said, a matter. All matter is an illusion, albeit a persistent illusion. The problem is, if we stay in the illusion, then we see ourselves as individuals, separate from each other with all of the different physical things in our world separate from each other, that we’re just a piece in a machine. And what that does is it devalues who we are, that we are actually not not just a teaching machine, our energies spreading out through the universe. So each one of us is a unique vibrational tuning fork. There are no two people with the same vibration. Each one of us is broadcasting a vibrational frequency. And, well, I said, well, wait, if matter is made out of energy and frequency and we broadcast frequency, then that means we can influence matter. And now here comes like the the most important point, and yet one of the hardest, as you just mentioned, Ron, the hardest to accept. And that is this quantum physics acknowledges as a fact. And let me emphasise about quantum physics. It is the most valid, truthful science on the planet. There is no science with more validity in its understanding of the universe than quantum physics. So if you’re going to question a science, you can question everyone. But, quantum physics is the primo what’s happening universe picture. I say, why is it relevant? And the answer is yes. And, as I said, matter is an illusion of energy and quantum physicist. And I’m going to emphasise it again since 1925, 1930 have told us that, one of the quotes is from one of the early physicists, we’ve been used to looking at the universe as a giant machine, but in truth, it’s more like a giant thought that consciousness, the energy of our consciousness, is forming the energy of the world in which we live. And it’s like, wait a minute. It says we are creating through consciousness the world experience that you’re having right now. This is a fact of physics. In fact, there’s a quote I use in my lectures in one of the slides, and it’s from an article in the journal nature. So let me tell you, nature is one of the most prestigious scientific journals in the world. So it’s science pure. And there was an article from a physicist at, in the US at Johns Hopkins University, a quantum physicist, and the article was about the nature of the there’s energy. It’s not matter. It’s energy. And, and I show on the, on the slide, the final sentence of this paper in the scientific journal from Quantum Physics and the sentence says this. The universe is immaterial. It’s mental and spiritual. Live and enjoy.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:21:09] Say it again. Say it again. Go and give it to us again. The universe is.


Dr Bruce Lipton [00:21:13] The universe is immaterial, not physical. The universe is immaterial. It’s mental and spiritual. Live and enjoy. And what does it come down to? The truth of the world from weather. The biology I talk about is how our consciousness shapes our physical biology and our behaviour. And physics takes it even further because it says the whole expression of this universe is coming from consciousness.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:21:42] Well, yeah. Yeah. Now, Bruce, this is a beautiful segue because we’re going to come back to that because another thing that I wanted to ask you about was that we think that our genes determine our destiny. You know, this is another theme that that we kind of have come to accept in this physical. You call it the scientific, materialistic world. Yes. Genes are our destiny, but that’s not the case. And I couldn’t think of a better person to ask this question. What is the what is the really what is this term called? Epigenetics.


Dr Bruce Lipton [00:22:16] Well, let’s get the terms down because then we can work with it more easily. Genetics is the belief that we’ve all been programmed, the science of genetics, which is the science of genes and how genes create the characteristics of the body, and then how it was also extended to include not just our physical traits, but our emotional traits, and our behavioural traits were all relegated to the action of genes. And I say, well, what genes are these physical DNA molecules that have their like, blueprints? And and why is this relevant? Well, the first thing is this if you attribute the characters of your life to your genes, and the genes are presumably turning on and off, that’s what we always say. Gene turned on or Gene turned on. It does so on its own. I said, well was irrelevant because I said, well, then the genes are making the control and we don’t control the genes. And so all of a sudden it says, well, wait, then, if the genes are making the decisions and I can’t change the genes, then I am by and this is the important word, a victim of my heredity. I’m getting traits from genes that apparently came from my mother and my father, mixing the traits together, and that these traits controlled by James can then control the character of my life. And I say, oh my God. Then what we are saying, if you believe in genetic control, is that you are a victim of your heredity. You got cancer. Running in your family is like, oh my God, I have the gene for cancer. I can get the cancer or Alzheimer’s or cardiovascular disease or whatever. We start to attribute there, but I’m a victim to these genes. And so we disempower people because if you’re out there and you go, oh my God, this gene could turn on and get cancer. And I can’t control a gene. It’s like I’m a victim. I go, okay, that is genetic control. Your life is under the control of your genes, but work since. Well, I started 50 years ago on this, and in 1990, the new science was introduced. It’s called not genetic control, but epi genetic control. And it sounds like the same thing I got. It’s a revolution. The revolution between genetics and epigenetics is as powerful as the evolution from Newtonian physics. They’re quantum physics. It changes the world. I go, okay, wait, what? What does it mean? Epi. The prefix epi means above. So when you say in Latin, what’s the name of skin? You say, oh, epidermis. Yeah. So what does that mean? Well, dermis is the layer of connective tissue in blood vessels below the skin. And so epidermis by definition says above the skin, I mean above the dermis. Epidermis above the dermis I got okay. What does epigenetic control means. Epi means above. When I say epigenetic control translates as control above the genes. Or wait a minute when the genes are in control. So no. No what what’s the control above the genes. And basically it’s environment. And this becomes really important because if the environment is controlling us, then we can continue to survive in an environment that is always changing. If the genes are controlling us and environments change, then we may not fit anymore, and then all of a sudden time will all die out because the whatever the gene programs are don’t fit the environment. But now we adapt continuously because the environment, is adjusting our genes and so that we are always staying in harmony with the environment. And that’s how we stay alive. So the control isn’t in the genes. I say, well, the environment. And then now we have to take a step. And here’s where the stuff comes from. Yes, if you’re an amoeba and you’re in a pond, whatever conditions are in the environment, you’re going to make a response to to survive in that pond. So as the weather changes or whatever’s in the water changes, the amoeba responds to that environment and changes its behaviour. And I say, okay, well, our cells and we’re made out of 50 trillion cells. Our cells are like amoebas. We have 50 trillion amoebas living in a community. And the shape of that community is your human body. So when we say I’m an individual organism, I go, no, no, you’re a community of 50 trillion amoebas that are working in a harmony that, and their community shape is your body. So, we have amoeba cells, and they’re going to respond to environment. I say, yeah, but let’s say you’re a liver cell and you’re in the liver, and you’re supposed to adjust your function to what’s going on in the environment to stay alive. Okay. But if you’re a liver cell, how do you know what the heck is going on in the environment you’re inside. You have no idea what’s going on in the environment. So I said, on the nervous system with all the senses taste, smell, touch, pain, temperature, all these physical things, site. These are the nervous systems ability to read the environment and then send the information to your community of cells so that they can coordinate their behaviour to stay alive in the environment. So you have a different behaviour of a sabertooth tiger is changing your behaviour. If you’re sitting in a tree or banana, you got two different behaviours, but it’s based on what was going on outside. So I said why is irrelevant. I said so your liver cell is depending on your nervous system to send information about what the environment is about, so the liver cell can adjust the function to support the organism and whatever environment. Find yourself. Then I go. Great. That’s the function. And nervous as matter. Oh. When we get up to the level of the nervous system of the human, between the environment and the body is the mind, and the mind does an interpretation of what’s going on in the environment. So the cells in my liver, do they get the direct signal of what’s going on in the environment? I go sometimes, sometimes not. Because if the interpretation in the mind, looks at the signal, I can have different response to the same signal. Two people can be in the exact same environment and have two totally different behaviours based on how the mind is each their each of their minds is looking at the world. No two people see the world exactly the same. So I say, why is irrelevant because my liver cell is not now directly connected to the environment. My liver cells behaviour is directly connected to the interpretation that my mind is sending. I go, oh my God. Well, interpretation is your belief. I go, yeah, and, and and since the mind is sending the signals to the cells and the mind is creating the environment which controls the genes, then whatever the picture in the mind is, that’s the signal that’s being sent to the cells. When you say, oh, was I relevant, I go. Well, if you have a picture of a being sick, then the mind says the signals to coordinate you to be sent out of the mind sends a picture of your being. Well, then it sends the signals to the body to become well. And so the mind is adjusting the body to the picture that is in the mind. And then I go, oh. Because now we recognise that 70% or more of our thoughts look at the world in a very negative, disempowering, self-sabotaging way. And if we’re controlling our biology with the picture we have in our mind and our minds are sending these negative images, then our bodies become a complement to those negative images. And you can create a cancer just because you perceive it in your mind that you have a cancer. But you can also eliminate a cancer by changing the picture in your mind that causes that cancer. And all of a sudden you start to say, well, wait, my mind is creating an image of the universe in which I learn, and that that image is translated by the nervous system into chemistry, which controls epigenetics, so that my physical and behavioural and emotional biology is actually under the control of the picture in our mind. A picture of health, happiness, love. Pain, war, peace. These are pictures and I say was irrelevant because when we put those pictures in the mind, the nervous system will translate them into chemistry, which then shapes the body to be a complement to that picture. And then I go back to the quote in nature. The universe is a material, its mental and spiritual. Our mental and spiritual character. Has been shaped by the nervous system to express reality. And if we change our mental and spiritual character and how we handle it, then we change our lives and and all of a sudden, we conform totally to quantum physics. When you consider that mind spirit consciousness represents an energy field, a field of invisible energy, that’s what the field is. I go, why is it relevant? And one more physics quote, and this from Albert Einstein. And it’s like, it’s so beautiful because the quote from Albert Einstein is the field which is invisible energy, consciousness, etc.. The field is the sole governing agency of the particle particle physical reality. Fear means energy, consciousness and thoughts. So listen to it again. The field, the energy, the consciousness of thought, is the sole governing agency of the particle matter, body universe. And then all of a sudden you go back to the quote of the physicist. Yeah, it’s all the material part of your consciousness. Your mind and your spirit are creating this.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:32:30] World now I do we are going to go on and talk a little bit more about this conscious, a subconscious mind. But just while we’re staying with this genetic epigenetic story, I mean, thoughts are things, and those things are actual chemicals which attach to cells and cause genes to express themselves in a particular way. And and is that is that the essence of, of this process of epigenetics, rather than just being this victim, we actually have some control over how our genes express themselves.


Dr Bruce Lipton [00:33:03] We have almost absolute control over how genes express ourselves.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:33:07] And and while family history isn’t all that relevant, it’s a kind of disturbing to thinking. And I think I’ve read this correctly, that this epigenetic expression is actually inheritable.


Dr Bruce Lipton [00:33:20] Absolutely. Here’s an interesting story. They looked at the fate of children that got adopted into families where there’s a lineage of cancer running in the family, and they find that they adopt a child will get the same family cancer with the same probability as any of their natural siblings. The whole issue is this the adopted child came from totally different genetics. It wasn’t the genes that were responsible for the cancer. It was growing up in the family and acquiring the programming and the beliefs of how to respond to life that were not in harmony with the world and that disharmony, in your biology, disharmony is expressed as disease. What was the point? Here’s the point. Let me give a fact of science. Less than 1% of disease is, due to genetic flaws. Listen again. Less than 1% of disease is due to genetic flaws I thought was irrelevant. It’s like, well, the where the heck do the 90% plus of disease come from? And it goes back to, consciousness that we are creating our illnesses because of the stresses that we live under and our attitudes and beliefs of victim and pressures and the Darwinian belief of survival of the fittest in a competition, for life, you know, it’s like, oh, my God, we’ve been programmed to be these animals running in a maze, competing against each other so that we stay alive, that life isn’t a beautiful, harmonious thing. According to that theory, life is a rat race, a struggle of competition. And if you don’t compete, you get lost and you die. And so everybody’s out there trying to stay alive. And what was a garden? And I go, what’s the relevance of the word garden? A garden, by definition, is a community. And for cooperation, a garden. There is cooperation. There’s no struggle in the garden. It’s a cooperation. And the reality is, oh, my God, we inherited a garden. And now, through our perception that this is a struggle in a, you know, for life and a competition for fitness, we turn that garden into, we’re destroying the garden. That’s amazing. The extinction.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:35:36] The concept of survival of the fittest is one that actually sits comfortably in a world in this scientific, materialist world that you’ve described. But in, as you say, you know, synergy and cooperation are something that’s, played a much bigger role in our evolution, isn’t it?


Dr Bruce Lipton [00:35:52] I mean, that’s well, yeah. Now, Ron, it’s now it’s recognised by science of cooperation has been left out of the equation and that it is the more, dominant aspect of evolution is cooperation. You see the. Whole idea of that survival of the fittest was actually not from, Darwin. It was from a guy earlier. Thomas. Martha’s, and Martha’s, or was like, the leader in a in a philosophy called, what what I’m trying to say is all of a sudden, remember, the philosophy is like, pessimism. That’s what it was called, the philosophy of pessimism. I go, what do you mean? I go, well, here’s the guy that said, look, plants, it’s hard to get plants to to continue producing more and more. You can work real hard. Let’s say you you’re a farmer and you get a bushel of of, corn out of this field this year. And then you work really, really hard next year and you get two bushels of corn, so. Oh, wow. You you double the production. That’s really cool. But then in the third year, you work really, really hard. You get an extra bushel. So now you have three bushels. And then the fourth year you work harder and then you get four bushels. So every year you get one more bushel out of the land. And then it’s but animals, when they reproduce, double the population. So first you have two animals, then you have four animals, then you have eight, 16, 32. And I go, well, there’s a problem if the animals keep doubling, which is called geometric, but the food grows only one step at a time, arithmetically, that’s the word. Then it says there’s a point where there’s going to be too many animals and not enough food. That would be the simple conclusion. There’s a how many years of animals reproducing? Well, they overproduce and then there’s going to be competition for food. And that was the concept that became part of the Darwinian theory, that the competition is this there’s not enough for everybody. And therefore you have to fight for your survival. And therefore that led to all this competition and competition leads to violence and violence. Lose the war and look at the world that we created when it was based on this Malthus principle. And guess what? Scientifically invalid. Totally incorrect. Animals. Animals just, reproduce the same population. So two parents produce two offspring. You go. Yeah. Let’s say a clam has a thousand eggs, and I go, yeah, and 998 of those eggs are going to die. Or be food for a higher organism. And so there’s 32 clams coming to humans, mate. Each family should end up with two offspring to replace the parents. That would be conventional, conventional science. And in fact, in the world of the West, Australia, US, Great Britain, Germany, it’s actually two parents, totally produced less than two offspring that the population is getting a little smaller. But in poor countries, the population is increasing because they don’t have, what the West has social security, meaning if you get old in one of those poor countries, how are you going to survive? You better have some kids that are going to be able to share with you what they’re making. And in really poor countries, then you have to have more kids because each kid is not going to make that much either. And all of a sudden you start to see that our population problem is, as a, as due to the fact that there’s a built in cultural understanding that if you get old, and you can’t take care of yourself, you’re going to be on the street, you’re going to die. And therefore we have children and children become Social Security.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:39:35] And now let’s move to a more positive note. Yeah. But but, you know, I know that you’ve mentioned it, particularly when we’re talking about this epigenetics, talking about the conscious and the unconscious mind. And I know that you’ve spoken, written a lot about the fact that our conscious mind actually plays a surprisingly small part in our lives, which I guess leaves us with the subconscious mind. What what can you talk to our listeners a little bit about that dichotomy there, and what influences the subconscious mind? How can we change it to fulfil our potential?


Dr Bruce Lipton [00:40:10] Okay, first, a very simple analogy. I go to the Apple Store and I bought a brand new iPod and the iPod, which model or iPhone? And on the front is a touchscreen where you can create a playlist and adjust the, volume and the EQ and go fast forward. You can you can create using what is called the touch screen. So I brought a brand new iPod, take it out of the box and on the touch screen I push play and nothing happens. I go, oh my God, I just got ripped off. I paid all this money and the damn thing isn’t working. And then some little seven year old kid comes up to me and goes, hey mister, you didn’t download any music. If you don’t download it, don’t download any music, can’t play. And it’s like, oh, I got it’s the memory. You got to put some programs in the memory so you can play. I go, yeah. So I go, okay, now take that analogy and look at it this way. The conscious mind is the touchscreen. The subconscious mind is the program database. I say, if you are just born and you have no data and your subconscious, no programs know how to behave, nothing. And I say, well, do something. And your conscious mind doesn’t have any programs. It’s just like the iPod. Nothing’s going to happen. What do I do? What? So nature creates the first seven years of a child’s life where our memory gets downloaded with behaviour. Because our brain in the first seven years of our life is operating at a vibrational frequency less than consciousness. An electrical, an EEG electroencephalogram, the reading of brain activity with wires on your head. The vibration that they read, of a child under seven is an a lower vibration than consciousness. It’s called theta and a higher vibration of brain activity. Alpha is where consciousness begins. So a child for the first seven years, the brain of a child is in theta or theta is imagination. And of course, that’s a character. Children where they can have an imaginary world in a real world so they can play along and have imaginary friends throughout the room and have a tea party and do everything. Or they can write a broom, and the mother says, give me the broom. And the child on the broom does not see that broom as a broom, but it sees it as a horse. And to that child and that imagination state of theta, it is a horse. So they mix the real world, imaginary world. But theta is also hypnosis. And the point about assists and the first seven years of a child’s life. The brain is functioning, a hypnosis, a records everything it sees. And here’s why. Well, that’s the data of how to behave in the family, how the father behaves. You learn that by observing your father have the mother behaves, you watch your mother and I say, well, what do you mean? Just watch what I say. The brain is like a video camera. Whatever it sees, it’s just recording it. There’s no consciousness like a viewer to watch what’s being recorded. Consciousness doesn’t begin until around seven. So there’s a problem. And the problem is, is the programs that are downloaded before age seven can be good programs or bad programs, but your conscious mind isn’t working, so it doesn’t filter out make any difference. They’re just recording. So what are you recording? Other people’s behaviour. You’re watching your father. You’re recording how your father behaves in life. You watch your mother, you see how she behaves. The life rules are established and this is what a father does. This is where the mother does. This is what a sibling does. I say, how did you get these programs? I said, for seven years, just watch and download. And after your age, seven consciousness kicks in. Now you can use that touchscreen. Now you can use the programs and create and do things with the programs. You become more of a creator. But if there are no programs, conscious mind has no ability to create that way because there’s nothing to create from. So seven years is programming. It goes straight into the subconscious mind. The difference between conscious and subconscious is critical, and that is says. They they don’t have the same function and they don’t learn in the same way. And that’s where the disconnects come from. The function of the conscious mind is a creative mind imagination. And the more consciousness an organism has, the more creative its life capabilities are. So you look at humans is like, look, our God, we created a rocket and computers and all these things. I say conscious minds, creativity. And I say, and what about subconscious? That got us subconscious habits? And people say, oh, the subconscious where evil stuff, I don’t know, no subconscious habits. And they’re very good habits. For example, when did you learn how to walk? Oh, before you were two. Have you had to relearn how to walk? No. My God. Well, you got a subconscious like God. Why? Because if you had to wake up every day and remember trying to remember how to walk and you didn’t have a program, you spend all day just learning how to walk and then go back to bed at night. And simple hours. Yeah, programs are good when they support us, but we can also get programs that could sabotage our viability, our life, our desires, and our wishes. How did we get these programs of sabotage? As I go, we copied other people. If they have a defect, then we got a defect because we copied it and they said, well, that’s subconscious mind. I said, yeah, but after seven seven you can use the conscious mind, creative mind, subconscious mind, habit mind. I go after a seven, I can start being creative. I go, absolutely. And you can, you know, just like a computer, you got programs in the hard drive. Okay. That’s subconscious. And then you could pull them up on the screen and then you can edit and modify them and change them. And I say, oh that’s that’s the creative conscious mind. What’s on the screen is creative consciousness. What’s in the hard drive is the habit. And I go, so what’s the relevance? I go, as long as you’re in the conscious mind, you’re actually in a creative mode, and whatever your wishes and desires are, your nervous system is going to try to coordinate that output to to express thoughts. However, and this is the monkey wrench in the machine. And this is where all the problems come from. This one point. The conscious mind. Imagine, you know, the creative mind. Can think. And I said, well, what’s the issue with that? I say, when it’s thinking, by definition, the conscious mind stops paying attention to what’s going on outside, because thinking is an inside job. If if I say, you know, what are you doing, next Wednesday? The answer is not really written on the floor or anywhere around you. It’s in your head. You have to go think, the moment you are thinking, you let go of the wheel. You’re not driving the vehicle any more. Conscious mind is driving the vehicle. Yeah. Where’s it going? Toward your wishes and desires, I go. Great. Then I say, yeah, and the moment you’re thinking, you go to autopilot, I go, what’s autopilot? The subconscious. It’s where the habits are. It knows how to walk and knows how to drive the car knows how to talk and knows how to do your job. Why? Because those things that you repeated over and over again become habits. So the point is simply this. When you are thinking the creative mind lets go, the wheel goes inside and deals with a thought. The problem then is automatically the autopilot subconscious kicks in, and the behaviour that the subconscious is going to use has been programmed not from you, but by other people. So when you are thinking you’re not paying attention to what’s going on, and you’re automatically running from the program, and if the programs are good programs, great, because whether you’re paying attention or not, a good program is going to lead to a good result. But if you got a program that is not a good program and you’re thinking and that program begins to play, then guess what? You are sabotaging yourself, and your conscious mind has no awareness that you just did this. Ron, let me tell you a quick story that 30 some years of lecturing, same story. So why this is most easy story, I guess.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:48:07] Ron. Go. No. Go go go.


Dr Bruce Lipton [00:48:09] I’m enjoying. Okay. Yep. The story says, sometime during your development, you probably had a friend that you’re very close to. And you knew your friend’s behaviour very, very well. And in this particular case, you also know your friend’s parent. And one day you see that your friend has some of the exact same behaviour as the parent. So, you know, of course, you’re going to tell your friends, you’re going, hey, pal, you’re just like your dad, and then you back away from Bill. Bill will go ballistic and say, how the heck can you compare me to my dad? I’m nothing like my dad. And people start laughing. The others, because they both had familiar kinds of experiences, like so. This is a profound story, very profound in this regard. Everyone else can see that Bill behaves like. Is that the only one who doesn’t see it is Bill explanation. Bill downloaded his dad’s behaviours in the first seven years. When does Bill Plato’s subconscious program? When he’s thinking. So when Bill is thinking and the program is playing, it’s not Bill’s wishes and desires that are being manifest. It’s the program that’s being manifest, the negative things that he acquired during his development. And why is that relevant? Because Bill is unaware that this negative behaviour is playing. And and if it’s sabotaging his life, then Bill is probably unaware that his own behaviour has created the problem. So Bill is left with what to think? Oh my God, it didn’t work. Oh, the universe is. It’s not, you know. It’s not in my cards to be happy. Successful health is not. It’s not in my fate to be that way. I want to be healthy. I want to be. Well, there I go. That’s good creative, conscious thinking. And I say, yeah, but if you’re only using that 5% of the day, which is what science says, recognise the risk. 95% of your life is not coming from your creative wishes and dire desires is coming from whatever you downloaded. And psychologists will tell you 70% or more of the downloaded programs that a child receives before age seven are disempowering, self-sabotaging, and limiting beliefs.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:50:21] So, Bruce, how do we do an audit of our subconscious mind?


Dr Bruce Lipton [00:50:25] Well, that’s a really cool part because, Ron, when you ask, you say, well, what program that I got when I was zero, what program did I get when I was one? In fact, what program that I got even before I was born in the last trimester of pregnancy. And you say, well, how could I know? I didn’t even I wasn’t conscious, I had no idea what the program is. So this thanks for asking the question, Ron. Because here’s the thing. How do you know where your programs are? Because you weren’t conscious when they were put in? So the easy part is this 95% of your life comes from the subconscious programs. The point is, your life is a printout of your programs. Simple points, the things you like that come into your life. They come in because you have programs that support them being there. But this is the one. In contrast, the things you desire and wish for. But you have to work hard for struggle, sweat over put a lot of effort into it. Oh my God, you’re working so hard to make this happen. Why is it so difficult to get those things? And the answer is, inevitably, the subconscious doesn’t support that being in your life. So, 95% of the day, your subconscious is sabotaging your wish, your wishes to be successful. Your subconscious probably has some program that says not deserving, not smart enough or something. And what will it do 95% of the day? Create a behaviour based on the program, and you will make mistakes, and you’ll do stupid things, and you. And you won’t see it, except you’ll see the result. It didn’t work. I wanted to be successful. It didn’t work out. The universe it gets been. I got to know 95% of the day. Your own programs were shooting you in the foot. You had this bloody foot. And you look around like, who did it? And you don’t even see the gun in your own hand. That. That we are sabotaging ourselves and we don’t know it because our programs, the function of the mind is to take the program and turn it into reality. So it’s a program of a, hearing, placebo effect. A program doctor says, here’s this pill that’s going to heal you and give you such a story about this amazing medication. And you say, okay, let me take the pills. I go, great, you take the pill, then you get well, and then you find out the pills, the sugar pill. All right, well, what do you do? Obviously not the sugar pill. Your perception, your belief, your vision that taking this pill was going to lead to a healthy outcome. So the mind has a picture of what healthy outcome? If you take the pill and then all of a sudden you say, oh, that’s going to release healthy outcome. And guess what? You heal yourself. And the darn thing was a sugar pill. And so basically says your positive thought about the pill healed you, because that thought was then turned into behaviour by the brain. And we healed ourselves. And people go, yeah, yeah, the placebos. That’s a positive thinking. Here we go. Yeah. Now let’s switch this to the more important side that nobody talks about really matters. What about a negative thought. Because placebo is based on having a positive thought. What about a negative thought? This won’t work. I can’t do this. I have cancer, this is the, you know, like the, not good enough or whatever. I said, these are negative thoughts. I said, what’s the result? I said, equally powerful to the positive thought, but works in the opposite direction. A positive thought can heal you from cancer. You can have remission with a positive thought, a negative thought that caused the cancer. So negative thoughts are equally powerful. And we don’t recognise that the vast majority of our thoughts are negative. And, and as a result, we don’t realise that our own thinking is manifesting a reality, that the brain will manifest chemistry to complement that reality, that chemistry controls the genetics, which then our behaviour is going to be influenced by what you were thinking. Positive thinking, the chemistry of healings release, negative thinking, the stress chemicals are released and then the negative thinking is responsible for the 90% of doctor visits. So.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:54:45] So, so this this audit of the subconscious mind, it involves obviously quite a deal of reflection. Yeah. And not always possible. You know, I mean, this is part of the power of relationship and communication and actually maybe even therapy at times. Is this, this reflection on, on your past and identifying these subconscious, traps?


Dr Bruce Lipton [00:55:12] I am absolutely your. Whatever your subconscious part, the life you are experiencing is a print out of your subconscious. So basically he says if there’s happiness, the subconscious is acknowledging whatever out there is giving you happiness. But if there’s struggle, it says the subconscious is not supporting that destination, and you’re trying to override the program that’s working 95% of the day with a mind that’s only working 5% of the day. That’s where the difficulty comes in. But, and to simplify this, that we’ve been programmed and that, these programs are our problem. The movie The Matrix, is like most of the science fiction, but the movie The Matrix is a documentary. Everybody’s been programmed. That’s that’s the first thing I want to emphasise is the idea being program is not a new idea. The Jesuits for 400 years have stated, give me a child until it is seven. I will show you the man. They stated exactly what we just said. Your program for seven years and whatever that program is, 95% of your life is going to express that program. So whatever your whatever they program you within the first seven years will manifest as the experiences you will have in your life that they’ve been saying after 400 years, that’s a true story.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [00:56:39] Oh, yes. And how how do we how do we change that? I mean, once we’ve identified it, the challenge now is, should you choose to accept it, this isn’t mission impossible.


Dr Bruce Lipton [00:56:50] Well, it’s mission very possible. But you have to know how to do it. And this is where the problem comes from. The problem is that we didn’t separate the two conscious and subconscious minds into separate interdependent minds. Each mind learns in a different way, and each mind functions in a different way. And we grouped them all the mind. So it’s all of a sudden they say, whoa, that’s a negative behaviour. I don’t want to do that anymore. And I go, great. The conscious mind just said, don’t do this anymore. And I say to the subconscious mind, hear that or change. An answer is absolutely not. Don’t even learn that way. So the result is we keep trying to adjust our lives by saying, well, you know, I won’t do this anymore. And then you find yourself doing it again. I go, well, that’s what I have. It’s all about you. Let go of the control and the habit will kick right back in again. So you want to change the subconscious mind to go? Yeah, but the two minds are different in this regard. The function of the conscious mind we mentioned earlier is creativity. Whatever you can imagine and desire and wishes a picture in the conscious mind, I go, yeah, great. It’s creative. And when it’s driving the vehicle, you create the pictures in your mind. And that’s where the, the story of The Matrix comes in. It says, you’ve been programmed and your life is a program. You’ll wake up every day and you’ll start to go through the same tracks, the same things, day after day after day. And they don’t seem to change. And the same issues you have follow you all the time. And that’s being in the program. Then I said, but if you take the red pill, you get out of the program like, oh, that’s pretty cool. I say, well, what would it be like to take the red pill? Then I go, interestingly enough, most people have taken the red pill and didn’t realise it, but had the profound consequences. And I say, well, what was that? I say falling in love for many people that it doesn’t have to be. Or falling in love is not the only way of doing this, but falling in love is character. Many people’s lives are characterised by a period of falling in love. I say, well, what does that mean? I said, well, your life could suck every day until you met person X, the one year you’re going to have a relationship with you, meet person X, you fall in love almost instantly. Your life is changing. 24 hours later, you have a completely different life. It’s called the honeymoon. The honeymoon as what? God, life is beautiful. It’s heaven on earth. The fruit is great. The music sounds better, you feel better. Even the lousy job you do is not so lousy anymore. Everything is like God has got to go on. It’s so beautiful. I go, how did the blah blah, blah life in 24 hours turn into heaven on earth? The answer was scientists recognise that falling in love is one of the characteristics that stops the programming. And we stay mindful and being mindful. That’s like a Buddhist, process of keeping your conscious mind present because say, well, why is the subconscious mind running this show? And I said, because when the conscious mind is thinking, the autopilot subconscious kicks in, I go, well, what if the conscious mind stops thinking? I go, oh, well, then it continuously running the show, the autopilot doesn’t kick in. So it turns out when people fall in love, it’s a time period where they stay mindful. They stop thinking, and they start being and start being at that moment, not not letting go of being in the moment. I go, yeah, of course, you just met someone you love. This is not time to be thinking, going in your head and letting go. This is the time to be fall out here. And enjoy what you got right in front of you. So we stop thinking. I said, well, what happened when you stopped? I said, your wife was blah blah, blah. You met this person. 24 hours later, you stopped drinking the equivalent of the red pill. And I said, then what? Well, now your creation is not coming from the subconscious mind. Coming from the creative conscious mind. I said, would you create honeymoon heaven on earth? I go cheese, you know. It was always available to you. But the moment you cut back into the subconscious mind, that image is going to disappear. So the honeymoon has a life span to it based on different people. How long you can stay mindful. The longer you stay mindful, the less you, default to the subconscious programs which are negative. But the moment, you start thinking a lot as a moment, those negative programs show up and they spoil the honeymoon and the relationship because a lot of those negative programs, they they don’t play. When you’re in your conscious mind, they only play when you let the subconscious autopilot kick in. And all of a sudden, when these negative programs show up, that’s when the honeymoon starts to taper off. You could still be in love with somebody, but the juicy joy of heaven on earth that was so exquisite in the beginning of that love affair sort of disappears, and then it becomes regular life. Why were you kicked back into the program again? So, what is the result of not playing the program? Well, manifesting heaven on earth, and all of a sudden it’s like, well, that would be the intention I got. Well, that was what we were here for, I say. And then how come it’s not heaven on earth, I say, because the programs that were downloaded into us in seven years set us up to run a rat race with competition, violence. You know, kill the other guy before he kills you. Very negative view of the world of struggle and fight and illness. And we put those programs in and then run those 95% of the day, and then you look around and say, yeah, that’s the world we have. Because if everyone was in love at this one moment, then the world would not have war. It would be in harmony and balance, and would for be heaven on earth. Because if everyone was creating heaven on earth simultaneously, then, exactly. That would be what would be manifesting in our world today.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:02:27] You know, now, Bruce, so much we’ve covered so much territory here, and it’s always so great to talk to you. I wanted to just finish with this and taking a step back from everything you do. What do you think the biggest challenge for people today is on their health journey through life?


Dr Bruce Lipton [01:02:44] The biggest challenge is they perceive themselves as victims. But they say that I give up control of my health to the medical profession, which is actually not the real one. You’re giving up or you’re giving up to the pharmaceutical industry. The pharmaceutical industry is a corporate entity that, makes money by telling you you’re a victim and that if you buy their drugs, you’re going to you’re going to be okay. And it turns out that is the biggest sham in the world. It’s a moneymaking organisation. And in fact, while pharmaceutical agencies do have wonderful miracle drugs, they don’t really sell them to the public for a simple reason. If you heal somebody, they’re no longer a customer. So, they don’t really sell you doing drugs. They just keep you strung on to come back to the next prescription and the next one or the next one. So we’ve been disempowered. We’ve been disempowered by our culture, our programming, and with the disempowered by people who know the truth because that, we look at the world run and there are very powerful people out there and they go, wow, wow, they get all that power. And then the joke is, everyone is equally powerful. You have an icon. Bill gates got $60 billion, and I have trouble, you know, buying a cappuccino. And the issue is. So how did you not have power? And I said, because you’ve been systematically disempowered with programming from the last trimester of pregnancy through the first seven years, again, because the leadership of the world, as the Jesuits know, also know that I can program you in the first seven years. And if I program you to be a victim to the medical community, not the medical community or the pharmaceutical community, actually, and have you believe it, then by behaviour and habit, you will continue to follow through and keep buying those prescription drugs when you could have healed yourself, if you had a different perspective on who you really are. You’re not a victim of your genes. You’re a creator and master of your genes, your behaviour and your emotions. But if you don’t believe it because of the programming running 95% of the day, then guess what? You become the victim. And that was the intention for most of that programming. Taking away a person’s spirit, saying, no, no, I’m your religion. Pay me the money and we’ll talk to God for you. It’s like each one of us is a spirit. And that spirit. Connect to God. There’s no way that we can be separated from this energy. And once you see a possible separation, then you start to say, well, how much do I have to pay to get back in the game? And then you gave up the power at that moment. The fact is the problem, the fact is we are all connected to spiritual God, and there’s no way you could ever be disconnected from it. And it’s a reprogramming thing. It’s just saying, I see the negative programs I’m living the negative programs, and I can take those programs and turn them around and make them positive programs that match the wishes and desires. And I go, what would be the simple conclusion? What would be the result? If you programmed your subconscious mind to have all the programs that your conscious mind sees as wishes and desires? And then comes the final answer and answers this it would be heaven on earth, whether you’re conscious or not paying attention at all. Because if your subconscious has those ten programs, then without even paying attention, you would always be ending up in heaven on earth without even trying to do it. And that’s exciting part, because if you do reprogramme, you get your power back. If you don’t reprogramme, you are the expression of a program and a program that was put in by yourself.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:06:30] Bruce, what a great note to finish on. Thank you so much for joining us. It’s always a pleasure to talk to you.


Dr Bruce Lipton [01:06:36] Ron. I am so happy to be here with you and thank you for this opportunity. And I just really, hope that people really got the major, as as the quantum physics, the most profound science reveals that, the world that we’re experiencing is due to our mental and our spiritual characteristics. We are controllers of our own mental and spiritual characteristics. Therefore, we are not victims. We are creators. Just unfortunately, we gave the program over to parents and community in the first seven years, and they propagated their problems from generation that they received from their parents and so, etc.. So I want to thank you because if people forget what we’re talking about, then the effort is, what if you want to have 100 moon every day of your life in the interest rate reprogramming? That is so, so very important to be doing.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:07:31] Thanks, Bruce.


Dr Bruce Lipton [01:07:32] Thank you. Bye bye bye.


Dr Ron Ehrlich [01:07:35] See, now, I told you when we started a powerhouse, knowledgeable, passionate, empowering. As I also mentioned, he has written several books. I mentioned the biology belief, the by-line of which is unleashing the power of consciousness, matter and miracles. His other book, Spontaneous Evolution Our Positive Future and a Way to Get There from Here and The Honeymoon Effect, the Science of Creating Heaven on Earth. I mean, the book names tell a story on their own. I also love this idea that I think we all need reminding of, and I think it’s basic, yet it is so profound. It’s a formula that captures the world we inhabit. Matter plus energy equals structure. We think the world we see is just matter. We can sort of acknowledge that it’s a collection of atoms, and that’s almost as far as our brain lets us go. Now, don’t blank out on me here. I’m not going to try and explain quantum physics, but I just but but just because I can explain it so that you and for that matter, I can understand it, it doesn’t mean that it’s not real. It is real. And so learning how to use this energy that surrounds us is in a positive way, is a very powerful force. Now, this episode has been a kind of a philosophical quantum level of the episode we did a few weeks ago, episode 27 with Doctor Susie Greene, The Power of Positive Thought. This is taking that concept to a whole new and a subatomic level. Doing an audit of your conscious mind is an interesting exercise. I mean, after I spoke with Bruce, I tried to think of all the things in my life that I could consider positive and negative about myself. I know that will disappoint some of my listeners, but I’m not perfect. There it is. I’ve said it. It’s out there. And sure enough, I could reflect on characteristics about strengths and weaknesses that people very close to me may have had, or significance events that occurred that I could remember when I was growing up. Now my memory goes back to 3 or 4 years old. Remember what he said? Give me the child at seven and I’ll show you the adult. So in order to reflect on those first four years prior to my memory, I guess we only have those close to us. They’re their own characters, if you like. As best as we understood them to reflect on and think about what influence they had on our subconscious, we tend. Touched on this theme in that other great episode I did with Doctor Shankar Dev Saraswati. Episode 13 Mind and Body Connection. There’s just so much to think about. We will, of course, have links to Bruce, whose website he lectures and runs workshops live and online all around the world, and I spoke to him about the possibility of bringing him out to Australia in 2019. Well, I hope we can do that. So until next time. This is doctor Ron Erlich. Be well. This podcast provides general information and discussion about medicine, health, and related subjects. The content is not intended and should not be construed as medical advice, or as a substitute for care by a qualified medical practitioner. If you or any other person has a medical concern, he or she should consult with an appropriately qualified medical practitioner. Guests who speak in this podcast express their own opinions, experiences and conclusions.